User talk:DollarStoreBa'al - Revision history

81.179.199.253: Undo revision 406157 by 81.179.199.253 (talk) Ah, you moved things... Forgive me, I wasn't checking the right things as quickly as I could have... Ironically.

2026-02-12T23:57:27Z

Undo revision 406157 by 81.179.199.253 (talk) Ah, you moved things... Forgive me, I wasn't checking the right things as quickly as I could have... Ironically.

81.179.199.253: /* Please don't edit templates */

2026-02-12T23:46:46Z

‎Please don't edit templates

DollarStoreBa'al at 22:36, 12 February 2026

2026-02-12T22:36:59Z

DollarStoreBa'al: /* Get off my lawn */

2026-02-12T22:34:58Z

‎Get off my lawn

JohnHawkinson: /* Get off my lawn */ r

2026-02-12T22:17:15Z

‎Get off my lawn: r

DollarStoreBa'al at 21:45, 12 February 2026

2026-02-12T21:45:47Z

DollarStoreBa'al: /* Get off my lawn */

2026-02-12T21:44:20Z

‎Get off my lawn

JohnHawkinson: /* Get off my lawn */ new section

2026-02-12T21:08:17Z

‎Get off my lawn: new section

DollarStoreBa'al: adding to my response.

2026-02-12T20:55:18Z

adding to my response.

DollarStoreBa'al: /* Please don't edit templates */

2026-02-12T20:52:31Z

‎Please don't edit templates

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	::A reminder to myself. Keeps the depression from setting in. <span style="font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: 16px;">--'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#023020">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]][[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<sup><span style="color:#000080">Converse</span></sup>]]'''''</span> 17:27, 20 January 2026 (UTC)		::A reminder to myself. Keeps the depression from setting in. <span style="font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: 16px;">--'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#023020">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]][[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<sup><span style="color:#000080">Converse</span></sup>]]'''''</span> 17:27, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
	:::No but that's actually so sweet 🥹 [[User:Definitely Bill Cipher\|⯅A dream demon⯅]] ([[User talk:Definitely Bill Cipher\|talk]]) 15:54, 21 January 2026 (UTC)		:::No but that's actually so sweet 🥹 [[User:Definitely Bill Cipher\|⯅A dream demon⯅]] ([[User talk:Definitely Bill Cipher\|talk]]) 15:54, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
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−	~~== You can read this and delate it immediately, if you want ==~~
−	~~(You, or maybe somebody else, got in there before I posted it... But it might still contain some useful info. I'll let you decide.)~~
−	:::If you look at actual members of [[:Category:Templates]], the Category:Template inclusion is probably within the <nowiki><noinclude></noinclude></nowiki> section. (Maybe a few exceptions, like those using the onlyinclude instead, or even not bothered with, but not any of the several that I quickly checked, on your behalf.)
−	:::Categories are straight out ''invisible'', wherever they appear. The manual ones are traditionally placed at the very end of the document, for easy management, but they also might be anywhere else, or get inherited through a used template. That's how a {{template\|comic}} definition assigns day-of-week/etc informaton, it sort of emerges from how it is used at the top of a Comic Explanation page. i.e. You have to do a slightly tricky thing to prevent a Category that is applicable for one page (e.g. the latest comic page) but does not then become applicable to the Main page (which contains a transclusion).
−	:::If you ''do'' ever add the 'template category' (I'm wondering if the idea behind that was to get an easier method of accessing 'immportant' templates but not others, but I'm not entirely sure what criteria or thinking was in use, origially - its creation is from slightly before I started being a regular here), you could perhaps make sure you do as the current templates do. Not sure that this particular change is a necessary thing, given the objections presented above, but knowing a little bit more about the various idiosynchrasies being exploited here can't hurt much, so this is to start you off on what might be your next little journey into understanding the labarynth of madness that is a perhaps not ''entirely'' consistent wiki-site. ;) [[Special:Contributions/81.179.199.253\|81.179.199.253]] 23:46, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

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	::A reminder to myself. Keeps the depression from setting in. <span style="font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: 16px;">--'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#023020">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]][[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<sup><span style="color:#000080">Converse</span></sup>]]'''''</span> 17:27, 20 January 2026 (UTC)		::A reminder to myself. Keeps the depression from setting in. <span style="font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: 16px;">--'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#023020">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]][[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<sup><span style="color:#000080">Converse</span></sup>]]'''''</span> 17:27, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
	:::No but that's actually so sweet 🥹 [[User:Definitely Bill Cipher\|⯅A dream demon⯅]] ([[User talk:Definitely Bill Cipher\|talk]]) 15:54, 21 January 2026 (UTC)		:::No but that's actually so sweet 🥹 [[User:Definitely Bill Cipher\|⯅A dream demon⯅]] ([[User talk:Definitely Bill Cipher\|talk]]) 15:54, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
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		+	== You can read this and delate it immediately, if you want ==
		+	(You, or maybe somebody else, got in there before I posted it... But it might still contain some useful info. I'll let you decide.)
		+	:::If you look at actual members of [[:Category:Templates]], the Category:Template inclusion is probably within the <nowiki><noinclude></noinclude></nowiki> section. (Maybe a few exceptions, like those using the onlyinclude instead, or even not bothered with, but not any of the several that I quickly checked, on your behalf.)
		+	:::Categories are straight out ''invisible'', wherever they appear. The manual ones are traditionally placed at the very end of the document, for easy management, but they also might be anywhere else, or get inherited through a used template. That's how a {{template\|comic}} definition assigns day-of-week/etc informaton, it sort of emerges from how it is used at the top of a Comic Explanation page. i.e. You have to do a slightly tricky thing to prevent a Category that is applicable for one page (e.g. the latest comic page) but does not then become applicable to the Main page (which contains a transclusion).
		+	:::If you ''do'' ever add the 'template category' (I'm wondering if the idea behind that was to get an easier method of accessing 'immportant' templates but not others, but I'm not entirely sure what criteria or thinking was in use, origially - its creation is from slightly before I started being a regular here), you could perhaps make sure you do as the current templates do. Not sure that this particular change is a necessary thing, given the objections presented above, but knowing a little bit more about the various idiosynchrasies being exploited here can't hurt much, so this is to start you off on what might be your next little journey into understanding the labarynth of madness that is a perhaps not ''entirely'' consistent wiki-site. ;) [[Special:Contributions/81.179.199.253\|81.179.199.253]] 23:46, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

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	::A reminder to myself. Keeps the depression from setting in. <span style="font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: 16px;">--'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#023020">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]][[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<sup><span style="color:#000080">Converse</span></sup>]]'''''</span> 17:27, 20 January 2026 (UTC)		::A reminder to myself. Keeps the depression from setting in. <span style="font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: 16px;">--'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#023020">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]][[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<sup><span style="color:#000080">Converse</span></sup>]]'''''</span> 17:27, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
	:::No but that's actually so sweet 🥹 [[User:Definitely Bill Cipher\|⯅A dream demon⯅]] ([[User talk:Definitely Bill Cipher\|talk]]) 15:54, 21 January 2026 (UTC)		:::No but that's actually so sweet 🥹 [[User:Definitely Bill Cipher\|⯅A dream demon⯅]] ([[User talk:Definitely Bill Cipher\|talk]]) 15:54, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
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−	~~== Please don't edit templates ==~~
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−	Please. If you cannot edit a template without screwing things up, please don't edit templates. The template category was a mistake and should never have existed (as noted in [[:Category talk:Templates]], but regardless, adding a category to a template such that it appears inappropriately in all transcluded uses of the template is not proper. It is a frustration that you seem so well-intentioned but your efforts just make more work for other people. [[User:JohnHawkinson\|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson\|talk]]) 19:59, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
−	:Whoops! My bad. I assumed categories were automatically noincluded. Also, I assumed it was standard practice. as for the year (wow, didn't know I've been around that lon) I've been around, every template I've seen has used this category. --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 20:52, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
−	::I will still edit templates, btw. But I'll be more careful, especially with high-traffic ones. --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 20:52, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
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−	~~== Get off my lawn ==~~
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−	~~Please do not change the structure of other people's talk pages! That is extremely rude. If you want me to have an archive page, ask me if I am willing (I am not willing!).~~
−	If we were to look aside at that, you '''absolutely may not under any circumstances''' add text to another person's talk page that speaks in the first person as if they were saying it ("please see my archive.") I don't know what's wrong with you. Talk pages are like other people's personal property, they are not yours to play with. Stop it. [[User:JohnHawkinson\|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson\|talk]]) 21:08, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
−	:I'm just trying to do the work that YOU really need to do. What you are trying to do is censorship. You need to either unblank your talk page or archive it, but you can't just erase things from history. What I did was archive the page and make the necessary changes to signal that you have an archive. We aren't fascists.--'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 21:44, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
−	::You have no basis for asserting that it is something "I need to do." There is neither a rule nor a norm that talk pages archives should be maintained or pages should be kept other than blank. You can say that as many times as you like, but it does not make it true! If you think I'm wrong, please cite such a thing. The standard, set by enwiki, is that old user talk page items may be removed at the discretion of the talk page owner. It is absolutely reasonable to remove everything other than current items. (It is also reasonable to keep older items, that's a choice too). Even if a requirement for a talk page archive was reasonable, which it is not, doing it without an automated bot imposes work on others. And that's incredibly rude! Blanking a talk page does not "erase things from history," if you want to find the history you can look at the History. That's why it is there. Are you…calling me a fascist? Again, that is incredibly rude! Please be respectful of others. If you want a change to the structure of someone's talk page, you can ask nicely. But now that you have poisoned the well, peed in the pool, and shit on my front door, it is going to be very hard for me to listen to you without emotion. But I'm happy to try. But please support your position will real arguments, not easily rebuttable wild claims as you have done heretofore. [[User:JohnHawkinson\|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson\|talk]]) 22:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
−	:::I'm not calling you a fascist, just saying you're acting like one. But fine. Keep your empty talk page. Also, I think this is MUCH less important than shitting on your front door. --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 22:34, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

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	:I'm just trying to do the work that YOU really need to do. What you are trying to do is censorship. You need to either unblank your talk page or archive it, but you can't just erase things from history. What I did was archive the page and make the necessary changes to signal that you have an archive. We aren't fascists.--'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 21:44, 12 February 2026 (UTC)		:I'm just trying to do the work that YOU really need to do. What you are trying to do is censorship. You need to either unblank your talk page or archive it, but you can't just erase things from history. What I did was archive the page and make the necessary changes to signal that you have an archive. We aren't fascists.--'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 21:44, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
	::You have no basis for asserting that it is something "I need to do." There is neither a rule nor a norm that talk pages archives should be maintained or pages should be kept other than blank. You can say that as many times as you like, but it does not make it true! If you think I'm wrong, please cite such a thing. The standard, set by enwiki, is that old user talk page items may be removed at the discretion of the talk page owner. It is absolutely reasonable to remove everything other than current items. (It is also reasonable to keep older items, that's a choice too). Even if a requirement for a talk page archive was reasonable, which it is not, doing it without an automated bot imposes work on others. And that's incredibly rude! Blanking a talk page does not "erase things from history," if you want to find the history you can look at the History. That's why it is there. Are you…calling me a fascist? Again, that is incredibly rude! Please be respectful of others. If you want a change to the structure of someone's talk page, you can ask nicely. But now that you have poisoned the well, peed in the pool, and shit on my front door, it is going to be very hard for me to listen to you without emotion. But I'm happy to try. But please support your position will real arguments, not easily rebuttable wild claims as you have done heretofore. [[User:JohnHawkinson\|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson\|talk]]) 22:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)		::You have no basis for asserting that it is something "I need to do." There is neither a rule nor a norm that talk pages archives should be maintained or pages should be kept other than blank. You can say that as many times as you like, but it does not make it true! If you think I'm wrong, please cite such a thing. The standard, set by enwiki, is that old user talk page items may be removed at the discretion of the talk page owner. It is absolutely reasonable to remove everything other than current items. (It is also reasonable to keep older items, that's a choice too). Even if a requirement for a talk page archive was reasonable, which it is not, doing it without an automated bot imposes work on others. And that's incredibly rude! Blanking a talk page does not "erase things from history," if you want to find the history you can look at the History. That's why it is there. Are you…calling me a fascist? Again, that is incredibly rude! Please be respectful of others. If you want a change to the structure of someone's talk page, you can ask nicely. But now that you have poisoned the well, peed in the pool, and shit on my front door, it is going to be very hard for me to listen to you without emotion. But I'm happy to try. But please support your position will real arguments, not easily rebuttable wild claims as you have done heretofore. [[User:JohnHawkinson\|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson\|talk]]) 22:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
		+	:::I'm not calling you a fascist, just saying you're acting like one. But fine. Keep your empty talk page. Also, I think this is MUCH less important than shitting on your front door. --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 22:34, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

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	If we were to look aside at that, you '''absolutely may not under any circumstances''' add text to another person's talk page that speaks in the first person as if they were saying it ("please see my archive.") I don't know what's wrong with you. Talk pages are like other people's personal property, they are not yours to play with. Stop it. [[User:JohnHawkinson\|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson\|talk]]) 21:08, 12 February 2026 (UTC)		If we were to look aside at that, you '''absolutely may not under any circumstances''' add text to another person's talk page that speaks in the first person as if they were saying it ("please see my archive.") I don't know what's wrong with you. Talk pages are like other people's personal property, they are not yours to play with. Stop it. [[User:JohnHawkinson\|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson\|talk]]) 21:08, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
	:I'm just trying to do the work that YOU really need to do. What you are trying to do is censorship. You need to either unblank your talk page or archive it, but you can't just erase things from history. What I did was archive the page and make the necessary changes to signal that you have an archive. We aren't fascists.--'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 21:44, 12 February 2026 (UTC)		:I'm just trying to do the work that YOU really need to do. What you are trying to do is censorship. You need to either unblank your talk page or archive it, but you can't just erase things from history. What I did was archive the page and make the necessary changes to signal that you have an archive. We aren't fascists.--'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 21:44, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
		+	::You have no basis for asserting that it is something "I need to do." There is neither a rule nor a norm that talk pages archives should be maintained or pages should be kept other than blank. You can say that as many times as you like, but it does not make it true! If you think I'm wrong, please cite such a thing. The standard, set by enwiki, is that old user talk page items may be removed at the discretion of the talk page owner. It is absolutely reasonable to remove everything other than current items. (It is also reasonable to keep older items, that's a choice too). Even if a requirement for a talk page archive was reasonable, which it is not, doing it without an automated bot imposes work on others. And that's incredibly rude! Blanking a talk page does not "erase things from history," if you want to find the history you can look at the History. That's why it is there. Are you…calling me a fascist? Again, that is incredibly rude! Please be respectful of others. If you want a change to the structure of someone's talk page, you can ask nicely. But now that you have poisoned the well, peed in the pool, and shit on my front door, it is going to be very hard for me to listen to you without emotion. But I'm happy to try. But please support your position will real arguments, not easily rebuttable wild claims as you have done heretofore. [[User:JohnHawkinson\|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson\|talk]]) 22:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

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 Please do not change the structure of other people's talk pages! That is extremely rude. If you want me to have an archive page, ask me if I am willing (I am not willing!).
 If we were to look aside at that, you '''absolutely may not under any circumstances''' add text to another person's talk page that speaks in the first person as if they were saying it ("please see my archive.") I don't know what's wrong with you. Talk pages are like other people's personal property, they are not yours to play with. Stop it. [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]) 21:08, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
-:I'm just trying to do the work that YOU really need to do. What you are trying to do is censorship. You need to either unblank your talk page or archive it, but you can't just erase things from history. --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 21:44, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
+:I'm just trying to do the work that YOU really need to do. What you are trying to do is censorship. You need to either unblank your talk page or archive it, but you can't just erase things from history. What I did was archive the page and make the necessary changes to signal that you have an archive. We aren't fascists.--'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 21:44, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

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	Please do not change the structure of other people's talk pages! That is extremely rude. If you want me to have an archive page, ask me if I am willing (I am not willing!).		Please do not change the structure of other people's talk pages! That is extremely rude. If you want me to have an archive page, ask me if I am willing (I am not willing!).
	If we were to look aside at that, you '''absolutely may not under any circumstances''' add text to another person's talk page that speaks in the first person as if they were saying it ("please see my archive.") I don't know what's wrong with you. Talk pages are like other people's personal property, they are not yours to play with. Stop it. [[User:JohnHawkinson\|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson\|talk]]) 21:08, 12 February 2026 (UTC)		If we were to look aside at that, you '''absolutely may not under any circumstances''' add text to another person's talk page that speaks in the first person as if they were saying it ("please see my archive.") I don't know what's wrong with you. Talk pages are like other people's personal property, they are not yours to play with. Stop it. [[User:JohnHawkinson\|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson\|talk]]) 21:08, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
		+	:I'm just trying to do the work that YOU really need to do. What you are trying to do is censorship. You need to either unblank your talk page or archive it, but you can't just erase things from history. --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 21:44, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

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	:Whoops! My bad. I assumed categories were automatically noincluded. Also, I assumed it was standard practice. as for the year (wow, didn't know I've been around that lon) I've been around, every template I've seen has used this category. --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 20:52, 12 February 2026 (UTC)		:Whoops! My bad. I assumed categories were automatically noincluded. Also, I assumed it was standard practice. as for the year (wow, didn't know I've been around that lon) I've been around, every template I've seen has used this category. --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 20:52, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
	::I will still edit templates, btw. But I'll be more careful, especially with high-traffic ones. --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 20:52, 12 February 2026 (UTC)		::I will still edit templates, btw. But I'll be more careful, especially with high-traffic ones. --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 20:52, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
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		+	== Get off my lawn ==
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		+	Please do not change the structure of other people's talk pages! That is extremely rude. If you want me to have an archive page, ask me if I am willing (I am not willing!).
		+	If we were to look aside at that, you '''absolutely may not under any circumstances''' add text to another person's talk page that speaks in the first person as if they were saying it ("please see my archive.") I don't know what's wrong with you. Talk pages are like other people's personal property, they are not yours to play with. Stop it. [[User:JohnHawkinson\|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson\|talk]]) 21:08, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

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 Please. If you cannot edit a template without screwing things up, please don't edit templates. The template category was a mistake and should never have existed (as noted in [[:Category talk:Templates]], but regardless, adding a category to a template such that it appears inappropriately in all transcluded uses of the template is not proper. It is a frustration that you seem so well-intentioned but your efforts just make more work for other people. [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]) 19:59, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
-:Whoops! My bad. I assumed categories were automatically noincluded. --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 20:52, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
+:Whoops! My bad. I assumed categories were automatically noincluded. Also, I assumed it was standard practice. as for the year (wow, didn't know I've been around that lon) I've been around, every template I've seen has used this category. --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 20:52, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
 ::I will still edit templates, btw. But I'll be more careful, especially with high-traffic ones. --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 20:52, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

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	Please. If you cannot edit a template without screwing things up, please don't edit templates. The template category was a mistake and should never have existed (as noted in [[:Category talk:Templates]], but regardless, adding a category to a template such that it appears inappropriately in all transcluded uses of the template is not proper. It is a frustration that you seem so well-intentioned but your efforts just make more work for other people. [[User:JohnHawkinson\|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson\|talk]]) 19:59, 12 February 2026 (UTC)		Please. If you cannot edit a template without screwing things up, please don't edit templates. The template category was a mistake and should never have existed (as noted in [[:Category talk:Templates]], but regardless, adding a category to a template such that it appears inappropriately in all transcluded uses of the template is not proper. It is a frustration that you seem so well-intentioned but your efforts just make more work for other people. [[User:JohnHawkinson\|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson\|talk]]) 19:59, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
	:Whoops! My bad. I assumed categories were automatically noincluded. --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 20:52, 12 February 2026 (UTC)		:Whoops! My bad. I assumed categories were automatically noincluded. --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 20:52, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
		+	::I will still edit templates, btw. But I'll be more careful, especially with high-traffic ones. --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 20:52, 12 February 2026 (UTC)