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Dgbrt at 23:59, 5 June 2017

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Lackadaisical at 16:44, 5 June 2017

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 :: Also, I wouldn't say the table format is as appropriate for the world political map. US states are quite same-sized; tabularizing them results in less distortion than would happen from tabularizing the globe (not to mention that the latter is not continuous owing to oceans). The administrative division-table analogy is not appropriate universally. wW
 ::: As long as users can search and it isn't unreadable and, for older ones, it doesn't conflict with the official transcript I don't much care what happens in the transcript. You and Dgbrt may discuss this somewhere other than my talk page, the talk page of the comic for example, or perhaps one of the community pages. A warning to you wW, I'm not very particular but some of the users on here won't like you making larger revisions unless you have a profile.--[[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] ([[User talk:Lackadaisical|talk]]) 12:13, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
-:::: Right. I've read a bit of other people's talk pages today and I've seen some talk about introducing new article sections. I imagine it could be along the lines of distinction between data-based (table, list, graph, map...) and conventional background-and-figures visual comics. The former ones could have a (roughly speaking; this is just shooting ideas) Content section, which would be dedicated to using the most appropriate markup, while Transcript, much in its present format, would remain only for the latter. Plus there could be a Keywords section, possibly even minimized, for broad descriptors like 'conversation', 'table' or 'technology'. (Randall-provided transcripts, as original xkcd content, would of course remain permanently accessible regardless.)
+:::: Right. I've read a bit of other people's talk pages today and I've seen some talk about introducing new article sections. I imagine it could be along the lines of distinction between data-based (table, list, graph, map...) and conventional background-and-figures visual comics. The former ones could have a (roughly speaking; this is just shooting ideas) Content section, which would be dedicated to using the most appropriate markup, while Transcript, much in its present format, would remain only for the latter. Plus there could be a Keywords section, possibly even minimized, for broad searchable descriptors like 'conversation', 'table' or 'technology', although that much overlaps with categories. (Randall-provided transcripts, as original xkcd content, would of course remain permanently accessible regardless.)
 :::: As for unspoken discrimination against guests, I am aware of it. But I have made an account based on your recommendation. It's called 'Only Stupid People Use This Account' and the password is 'password'. wWwW

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 :: Also, I wouldn't say the table format is as appropriate for the world political map. US states are quite same-sized; tabularizing them results in less distortion than would happen from tabularizing the globe (not to mention that the latter is not continuous owing to oceans). The administrative division-table analogy is not appropriate universally. wW
 ::: As long as users can search and it isn't unreadable and, for older ones, it doesn't conflict with the official transcript I don't much care what happens in the transcript. You and Dgbrt may discuss this somewhere other than my talk page, the talk page of the comic for example, or perhaps one of the community pages. A warning to you wW, I'm not very particular but some of the users on here won't like you making larger revisions unless you have a profile.--[[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] ([[User talk:Lackadaisical|talk]]) 12:13, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
-:::: Right. I've read a bit of other people's talk pages today and I've seen some talk about introducing new article sections. I imagine it could be along the lines of distinction between data-based (table, list, graph, map...) and conventional background-and-figures visual comics. The former ones could have a (roughly speaking; this is just shooting ideas) Content section, which would be dedicated to using the most appropriate markup, while Transcript, much in its present format, would remain only for the latter. Plus there could be a Keywords section, possibly even minimized, for broad descriptors like 'conversation', 'table' or 'technology'.
+:::: Right. I've read a bit of other people's talk pages today and I've seen some talk about introducing new article sections. I imagine it could be along the lines of distinction between data-based (table, list, graph, map...) and conventional background-and-figures visual comics. The former ones could have a (roughly speaking; this is just shooting ideas) Content section, which would be dedicated to using the most appropriate markup, while Transcript, much in its present format, would remain only for the latter. Plus there could be a Keywords section, possibly even minimized, for broad descriptors like 'conversation', 'table' or 'technology'. (Randall-provided transcripts, as original xkcd content, would of course remain permanently accessible regardless.)
 :::: As for unspoken discrimination against guests, I am aware of it. But I have made an account based on your recommendation. It's called 'Only Stupid People Use This Account' and the password is 'password'. wWwW

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	:: Also, I wouldn't say the table format is as appropriate for the world political map. US states are quite same-sized; tabularizing them results in less distortion than would happen from tabularizing the globe (not to mention that the latter is not continuous owing to oceans). The administrative division-table analogy is not appropriate universally. wW		:: Also, I wouldn't say the table format is as appropriate for the world political map. US states are quite same-sized; tabularizing them results in less distortion than would happen from tabularizing the globe (not to mention that the latter is not continuous owing to oceans). The administrative division-table analogy is not appropriate universally. wW
	::: As long as users can search and it isn't unreadable and, for older ones, it doesn't conflict with the official transcript I don't much care what happens in the transcript. You and Dgbrt may discuss this somewhere other than my talk page, the talk page of the comic for example, or perhaps one of the community pages. A warning to you wW, I'm not very particular but some of the users on here won't like you making larger revisions unless you have a profile.--[[User:Lackadaisical\|Lackadaisical]] ([[User talk:Lackadaisical\|talk]]) 12:13, 6 June 2017 (UTC)		::: As long as users can search and it isn't unreadable and, for older ones, it doesn't conflict with the official transcript I don't much care what happens in the transcript. You and Dgbrt may discuss this somewhere other than my talk page, the talk page of the comic for example, or perhaps one of the community pages. A warning to you wW, I'm not very particular but some of the users on here won't like you making larger revisions unless you have a profile.--[[User:Lackadaisical\|Lackadaisical]] ([[User talk:Lackadaisical\|talk]]) 12:13, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
		+	:::: Right. I've read a bit of other people's talk pages today and I've seen some talk about introducing new article sections. I imagine it could be along the lines of distinction between data-based (table, list, graph, map...) and conventional background-and-figures visual comics. The former ones could have a (roughly speaking; this is just shooting ideas) Content section, which would be dedicated to using the most appropriate markup, while Transcript, much in its present format, would remain only for the latter. Plus there could be a Keywords section, possibly even minimized, for broad descriptors like 'conversation', 'table' or 'technology'.
		+	:::: As for unspoken discrimination against guests, I am aware of it. But I have made an account based on your recommendation. It's called 'Only Stupid People Use This Account' and the password is 'password'. wWwW

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 :: wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwvvvvvvvvandal according to Dgbrt {{unsigned ip|162.158.91.23}}
 :: Also, I wouldn't say the table format is as appropriate for the world political map. US states are quite same-sized; tabularizing them results in less distortion than would happen from tabularizing the globe (not to mention that the latter is not continuous owing to oceans). The administrative division-table analogy is not appropriate universally. wW
-:: As long as users can search and it isn't unreadable and, for older ones, it doesn't conflict with the official transcript I don't much care what happens in the transcript. You and Dgbrt may discuss this somewhere other than my talk page, the talk page of the comic for example, or perhaps one of the community pages. A warning to you wW, I'm not very particular but some of the users on here won't like you making larger revisions unless you have a profile.--[[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] ([[User talk:Lackadaisical|talk]]) 12:13, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
+::: As long as users can search and it isn't unreadable and, for older ones, it doesn't conflict with the official transcript I don't much care what happens in the transcript. You and Dgbrt may discuss this somewhere other than my talk page, the talk page of the comic for example, or perhaps one of the community pages. A warning to you wW, I'm not very particular but some of the users on here won't like you making larger revisions unless you have a profile.--[[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] ([[User talk:Lackadaisical|talk]]) 12:13, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

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	:: Also, I wouldn't say the table format is as appropriate for the world political map. US states are quite same-sized; tabularizing them results in less distortion than would happen from tabularizing the globe (not to mention that the latter is not continuous owing to oceans). The administrative division-table analogy is not appropriate universally. wW		:: Also, I wouldn't say the table format is as appropriate for the world political map. US states are quite same-sized; tabularizing them results in less distortion than would happen from tabularizing the globe (not to mention that the latter is not continuous owing to oceans). The administrative division-table analogy is not appropriate universally. wW
		+	:: As long as users can search and it isn't unreadable and, for older ones, it doesn't conflict with the official transcript I don't much care what happens in the transcript. You and Dgbrt may discuss this somewhere other than my talk page, the talk page of the comic for example, or perhaps one of the community pages. A warning to you wW, I'm not very particular but some of the users on here won't like you making larger revisions unless you have a profile.--[[User:Lackadaisical\|Lackadaisical]] ([[User talk:Lackadaisical\|talk]]) 12:13, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

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 :: Regards,
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-:: Also, I wouldn't say the table format is as appropriate for the world political map. US states are quite same-sized; tabularizing them results in less distortion than would happen from tabularizing the globe. The administrative division-table analogy is not appropriate universally. wW
+:: Also, I wouldn't say the table format is as appropriate for the world political map. US states are quite same-sized; tabularizing them results in less distortion than would happen from tabularizing the globe (not to mention that the latter is not continuous owing to oceans). The administrative division-table analogy is not appropriate universally. wW

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		+	:: Also, I wouldn't say the table format is as appropriate for the world political map. US states are quite same-sized; tabularizing them results in less distortion than would happen from tabularizing the globe. The administrative division-table analogy is not appropriate universally. wW

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	:: 'Either "numerous other people" are dumb or your "contributions" are not really helpful.' What do we have here. A person alluding to my illusory superiority while openly admitting that they ignore 3/4 of another person's points. wWwW{{unsigned ip\|‎162.158.91.29}}		:: 'Either "numerous other people" are dumb or your "contributions" are not really helpful.' What do we have here. A person alluding to my illusory superiority while openly admitting that they ignore 3/4 of another person's points. wWwW{{unsigned ip\|‎162.158.91.29}}
	:I had no interest in fully explaining defending my reversion, but I will. The transcript was originally taken directly from the source page on xkcd. Randall included the information so the someone could type something like "xkcd black hat submarine" and https://xkcd.com/405/ would show up in the search results. We include it here because it is useful for the same reasons and it can resolve debates over the content of the comic. However, Randall has recently stopped including transcripts accessible in the source, so we've worked to create our own. If we were to follow your edits we'd also have to change the transcripts of similar comics such as [[1767: US State Names]], [[850: World According to Americans]], and [[1509: Scenery Cheat Sheet]]. It is also worth noting that the format you've proposed is more difficult to read than the comic itself.--[[User:Lackadaisical\|Lackadaisical]] ([[User talk:Lackadaisical\|talk]]) 16:43, 5 June 2017 (UTC)		:I had no interest in fully explaining defending my reversion, but I will. The transcript was originally taken directly from the source page on xkcd. Randall included the information so the someone could type something like "xkcd black hat submarine" and https://xkcd.com/405/ would show up in the search results. We include it here because it is useful for the same reasons and it can resolve debates over the content of the comic. However, Randall has recently stopped including transcripts accessible in the source, so we've worked to create our own. If we were to follow your edits we'd also have to change the transcripts of similar comics such as [[1767: US State Names]], [[850: World According to Americans]], and [[1509: Scenery Cheat Sheet]]. It is also worth noting that the format you've proposed is more difficult to read than the comic itself.--[[User:Lackadaisical\|Lackadaisical]] ([[User talk:Lackadaisical\|talk]]) 16:43, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
		+	:: Look at that, after having read numerous accusations of vandalhood and disruption on my part, ending with claims of necessity of page protection from me by Dgbrt, I finally for the first time see someone actually try to talk with me.
		+	:: Point by point then.
		+	:: As for searching: as I said, I addressed it immediately after it was pointed out, by providing a only slightly redundant <nowiki><caption/></nowiki> in my code in which sentences can be searched continuously too.
		+	:: '''Interesting point:''' the format to which you adhere, where you prefer to describe the format of the comic in prose ('in subpart B of part A, thing X happens') rather than using markup (in silly pseudocode, <nowiki><part id='A'><subpart id='B'>X</subpart></part></nowiki>) such as I suggest, results in false positives, in which results from description are indistinguishable from results in direct comic content. (I hinted at this in one of my edit descriptions.) For instance, searching for 'sub' (...marine) wrongly returns 'sub' (...part). As far as you mark up, this is not a problem.
		+	:: As for consistency: yes, of course. When a solution is better, it obviously has to be adopted consistently. I actually thought of making a template out of my map-table right away, precisely for the purpose of generalizing all US-describing comics.
		+	:: As for ease of comprehension, well, effing obviously. Markup is not tracing state shapes as they are and as they are effortlessly recognized by US citizens. I mean, it could using say SVG, but in itself, that would actually not be an improvement with respect to utilization of the comic's meaning over raster graphics at all. Marking up is always going to be simplification/assimilation to a general concept and thus require varying degrees of imagination/recognition, which is demanding. Except the very point is that while assimilation results in slight data loss ('''with respect to the original comic; compared to your original transcription, my markup contained a lot more data'''), it returns in terms of operability. As I said here as well, prose is highly inoperable. You can hardly traverse prose, while table markup easily allows moving back and forth, various jumps etc. You can hardly compare transcriptions consisting of two blocks of prose, while you can, as I hinted as well, easily retrieve and compare various data (eg. on frequency and location of various types of subdata) between transcriptions that are both realized as HTML tables or HTML lists. And so on and so on.
		+	:: Regards,
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 :I'm only answering your first sentence, there are two possibilities: Either "numerous other people" are dumb or your "contributions" are not really helpful. Think about your title "wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww" here.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 10:54, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 :: 'Either "numerous other people" are dumb or your "contributions" are not really helpful.' What do we have here. A person alluding to my illusory superiority while openly admitting that they ignore 3/4 of another person's points. wWwW{{unsigned ip|‎162.158.91.29}}
-:I had no interest in fully explaining defending my reversion, but I will. The transcript was originally taken directly from the source page on xkcd. Randall included the information so the someone could type something like "xkcd black hat submarine" and https://xkcd.com/405/ would show up in the search results. We include it here because it is useful for the same reasons and it can resolve debates over the content of the comic. However, Randall has recently stopped including transcripts accessible in the source, so we've worked to create our own. If we were to follow your edits and change the transcripts of similar comics such as [[1767: US State Names]], [[850: World According to Americans]], and [[1509: Scenery Cheat Sheet]]. It is also worth noting that the format you've proposed is more difficult to read than the comic itself.--[[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] ([[User talk:Lackadaisical|talk]]) 16:43, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
+:I had no interest in fully explaining defending my reversion, but I will. The transcript was originally taken directly from the source page on xkcd. Randall included the information so the someone could type something like "xkcd black hat submarine" and https://xkcd.com/405/ would show up in the search results. We include it here because it is useful for the same reasons and it can resolve debates over the content of the comic. However, Randall has recently stopped including transcripts accessible in the source, so we've worked to create our own. If we were to follow your edits we'd also have to change the transcripts of similar comics such as [[1767: US State Names]], [[850: World According to Americans]], and [[1509: Scenery Cheat Sheet]]. It is also worth noting that the format you've proposed is more difficult to read than the comic itself.--[[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] ([[User talk:Lackadaisical|talk]]) 16:43, 5 June 2017 (UTC)