Talk:2950: Situation

For reference, the bridge in question is the Tacoma Narrows Bridge. Trimeta (talk) 18:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Noting that in all cases except the Tacoma Narrows, the design flaws were but a part of the issue, with operational decisions at the time playing a big part in the designed-in risks becoming reasons for an actual incident. The bridge could never have been "run safely", once built, unlike trying to ignore bunker fires whilst speeding through iceberg-alley or conducting stress tests in parallel with other non-standard procedures or just not refusing to conduct flights under certain weather conditions. Yes, the other things, by skipping the 'bad end' they actually had, would still be susceptible to future incidents (lessons not now having been properly learnt, or even known to be learnable, so still liable to being mishandled).

But the only thing that could have saved the Tacoma bridge was to have been so much more alert (and less 'amused') by Galloping Gerti and immediately rushed into developing the better analytical models that could lead to an expensive in-situ retrofit (as with the Millenium Bridge, across the Thames, though that didn't have unavoidable wind issues and could be managed 'at leisure', whilst being made safer). And, without the rather spectacular demonstration of failure, it was probably not on the cards to 'not do nothing', even if it wasn't already too late to avert history in any reasonable way.

It's human hubris/failings (at various levels) in each case, of course. But operational and design-time errors do more damage in combination than either by themselves. (Case in point, no deaths from the bridge collapse... actually handled pretty well, considering.) 172.70.162.186 22:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

And for the record, the Challenger engineers *did* warn about the O-ring risk, but were overridden by management. 172.68.35.95 19:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

It would have been so easy to draw a dam about to burst just behind the ocean liner 172.70.43.54 (talk) 20:22, 24 June 2024 (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Any particular dam-burst? There are many, but I'm not sure that we have an 'iconic' one... There's perhaps Taum Sauk, Vajont Dam, Brumadinho dam, El Cobre, Uttarakhand, Dale Dike Reservoir or Derna, picking a selection of notable ones. You couldn't count the deliberate Operation Chastise breaches or the (probably-)deliberate Kakhovka Dam one, nor all those 'nearly a disaster' ones (like Ulley and Toddbrook, two relatively recent concerns in the UK). 172.70.162.186 22:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

For whatever reason, the first thing that springs to my mind, is the flood scene from Team America World Police. ProphetZarquon (talk) 07:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Johnstown Flood is what came to mind, caused by the South Fork Dam is the most iconic US one, and long enough ago to joke about relative to more recent, larger ones 162.158.159.140 16:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Also a huge molasses tank would have been a good reference to one of the worst non-water floods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_non-water_floods 172.70.43.140 17:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Winds caused by maintenance on a nuclear reactor... What? 172.69.208.173 22:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, this explanation text is reaching, hard. ProphetZarquon (talk) 07:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Calling what leaked from the O-ring 'fuel' somewhat understates the issue. The O-ring failure let the SRB rocket exhaust itself burn through and damage the attachment strut and the external tank. Dkfenger (talk) 23:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

But, rocket fuel can't melt metal struts!  ;S ProphetZarquon (talk) 06:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

But it can get it hot enough that it then rips apart, causing other failures. SDSpivey (talk) 15:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

That was sarcasm, silly.  ;P ProphetZarquon (talk) 18:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I can't help but think that the ship/bridge combination also refers to the Key Bridge collapse, given that MV Dali just left Baltimore today, passing through the wreckage of the Key Bridge and under a Chesapeake Bay Bridge temporarily closed to traffic. --172.71.222.92 03:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Not shown: Ship electrical system with redundant buses, multiple breaker trips, and all bus ties closed. Not existent: Dolphins and breakers surrounding the piers of a fracture-critical bridge. 172.70.175.84 03:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Nothing in the comic implies anything about the Key Bridge. Coincidence of timing, at best. SDSpivey (talk) 15:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I feel like there's potential here, for a Rock-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock kind of game, where each disaster can cause two others & prevent two others. ProphetZarquon (talk) 07:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

50 comics until 3000! youtu.be/miLcaqq2Zpk 04:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

In the section labeled "Hydrogen-filled [...] Airship [...]", should we remove the ellipses and show the entire label instead? Is there a good reason for not showing the full label? Ianrbibtitlht (talk) 15:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to be bold and change this to the full label. Ianrbibtitlht (talk) 15:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to hazard a conjecture that the reactor kicked off the whole megadisaster when it exploded. The enormous blast from the explosion caused the bridge to collapse. It fell over on the airship and exploded it, and the ocean liner, without its trusty iceberg scout, sank (either on an iceberg or on one of the numerous pieces of wreckage from the bridge or airship). Feel free to use it if it seems plausible. 172.69.34.129 (talk) 20:46, 26 June 2024 (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Why doesn't this page have a "next" button at the top? Or is that only happenning for me? --172.70.162.186 09:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

It does for me. But note that the mechanism to give a Next button to every page except the very latest has been tardy in responding (or being cache-updated, I think was the issue) before. It's possible you saw it before the background whatever-needs-to-be-done was done, but it seems fixed now.

It's also a possibility that your local cache is(/was) being tardy (or even some intervening cloud-cache is 'ruining your day'), but if you can see your comment (and this reply) in the "Discussion" footer of the main comic page than I would say you certainly should be getting the updated page in every respect, including the Next-linking button to 2951.

If you find that it's still not the case then let us know. If you need to go to the Talk page to even see this, then perhaps we can also help suggest ways to get it moving. But it should still resolve soon enough, I imagine. 172.70.85.6 11:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

In the case of Galloping Gertie, a University of Washington Engineering prof predicted she would shake herself apart in a high wind (40mph is high in the Seattle area), and took his movie camera down to the strait during the next bad weather. That's why we have such a good movie of the event.

In the discussion of the Titanic's design, "contemporary" should be "contemporaneous" (one of my favorite nitpicks). 172.71.222.52 14:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)