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Sequels are often made to resolve issues that are left unresolved in the original works. In this comic [[Randall]] attempts to humorously resolve all the unresolved issues in the {{w|Star Wars franchise}} in a single scene.
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Sequels are often made to resolve issues that are left unresolved in the original works. In this comic [[Randall]] attempts to humorously resolve one of the least important issues in the {{w|Star Wars franchise}}.
  
 
{{w|J. J. Abrams}} and others involved in the filming ''{{w|Star Wars: The Force Awakens|Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens}}'' had appeared in a panel at San Diego Comic-Con the weekend prior to the comic to unveil details about the film. The new film was earlier revealed to be a sequel to ''{{w|Return of the Jedi|Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi}}'' and therefore a sequel to the original Star Wars trilogy.  
 
{{w|J. J. Abrams}} and others involved in the filming ''{{w|Star Wars: The Force Awakens|Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens}}'' had appeared in a panel at San Diego Comic-Con the weekend prior to the comic to unveil details about the film. The new film was earlier revealed to be a sequel to ''{{w|Return of the Jedi|Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi}}'' and therefore a sequel to the original Star Wars trilogy.  
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In the first produced movie of the series ''{{w|Star Wars (film)|Star Wars:Episode IV: A New Hope}}'', {{w|Luke Skywalker}}'s uncle tells him to clean two newly purchased droids ({{w|R2-D2}} and {{w|C-3PO}}), to which Luke complains that he had plans to pick up some power converters in Tosche Station. Luke starts cleaning the droids first, but then discovers a message which starts Luke's quest through the events in the original trilogy.
 
In the first produced movie of the series ''{{w|Star Wars (film)|Star Wars:Episode IV: A New Hope}}'', {{w|Luke Skywalker}}'s uncle tells him to clean two newly purchased droids ({{w|R2-D2}} and {{w|C-3PO}}), to which Luke complains that he had plans to pick up some power converters in Tosche Station. Luke starts cleaning the droids first, but then discovers a message which starts Luke's quest through the events in the original trilogy.
  
In Randall’s vision of the movie, Luke returns to {{w|Tatooine}} years later with R2-D2 to finish the errand that was interrupted. Luke goes to Tosche Station and says “I’m here for '''those''' power converters”, thus completing this unresolved task from the first movie. The action is framed by the opening and {{w|closing credits}}, suggesting this uneventful scene comprises the entire film. The joke is that of all the unresolved issues in the other films, getting the power converters was the most pressing, as this could be the most boring event to form the basis for a film. The author could have also been commenting that there were few if any unresolved issues in the Star Wars franchise.
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In Randall’s vision of the movie, Luke returns to {{w|Tatooine}} years later with R2-D2 to finish the errand that was interrupted. Luke goes to Tosche Station and says “I’m here for '''those''' power converters”, thus completing this unresolved task from the first movie. The action is framed by the opening and {{w|closing credits}}, suggesting this uneventful scene comprises the entire film. The joke is that of all the unresolved issues in the other films, it is absurd to think that getting the power converters was the most pressing. In practice this could be the most boring event to form the basis for a film.  
  
 
The title text alludes to another fantasy franchise, ''{{w|Lord of the Rings}}'', and how {{w|Samwise Gamgee}} was similarly interrupted from a menial task of gardening and listening in on conversations outside {{w|Bag End}} by {{w|Gandalf}} and his quest to save the world at the start of the first film. The title text uses the term “dropping eaves” as Samwise did in his denial of eavesdropping in on the conversation between Frodo and Gandalf. In both cases, the issue of collecting power converters and Sam’s gardening duties were left unresolved in their respective stories and the main plot of the series is thoroughly concluded.
 
The title text alludes to another fantasy franchise, ''{{w|Lord of the Rings}}'', and how {{w|Samwise Gamgee}} was similarly interrupted from a menial task of gardening and listening in on conversations outside {{w|Bag End}} by {{w|Gandalf}} and his quest to save the world at the start of the first film. The title text uses the term “dropping eaves” as Samwise did in his denial of eavesdropping in on the conversation between Frodo and Gandalf. In both cases, the issue of collecting power converters and Sam’s gardening duties were left unresolved in their respective stories and the main plot of the series is thoroughly concluded.

Revision as of 23:24, 15 July 2015

Episode VII
The Lord of the Rings sequel, set years after the Ring hubbub has died down, is just Samwise discreetly creeping back to Bag End to finish dropping the eaves.
Title text: The Lord of the Rings sequel, set years after the Ring hubbub has died down, is just Samwise discreetly creeping back to Bag End to finish dropping the eaves.

Explanation

Sequels are often made to resolve issues that are left unresolved in the original works. In this comic Randall attempts to humorously resolve one of the least important issues in the Star Wars franchise.

J. J. Abrams and others involved in the filming Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens had appeared in a panel at San Diego Comic-Con the weekend prior to the comic to unveil details about the film. The new film was earlier revealed to be a sequel to Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi and therefore a sequel to the original Star Wars trilogy.

In the first produced movie of the series Star Wars:Episode IV: A New Hope, Luke Skywalker's uncle tells him to clean two newly purchased droids (R2-D2 and C-3PO), to which Luke complains that he had plans to pick up some power converters in Tosche Station. Luke starts cleaning the droids first, but then discovers a message which starts Luke's quest through the events in the original trilogy.

In Randall’s vision of the movie, Luke returns to Tatooine years later with R2-D2 to finish the errand that was interrupted. Luke goes to Tosche Station and says “I’m here for those power converters”, thus completing this unresolved task from the first movie. The action is framed by the opening and closing credits, suggesting this uneventful scene comprises the entire film. The joke is that of all the unresolved issues in the other films, it is absurd to think that getting the power converters was the most pressing. In practice this could be the most boring event to form the basis for a film.

The title text alludes to another fantasy franchise, Lord of the Rings, and how Samwise Gamgee was similarly interrupted from a menial task of gardening and listening in on conversations outside Bag End by Gandalf and his quest to save the world at the start of the first film. The title text uses the term “dropping eaves” as Samwise did in his denial of eavesdropping in on the conversation between Frodo and Gandalf. In both cases, the issue of collecting power converters and Sam’s gardening duties were left unresolved in their respective stories and the main plot of the series is thoroughly concluded.

Star Wars background

In the very first Star Wars movie (Episode IV: A New Hope) the conversation between Luke and his uncle, Owen Lars, is as followes:

Uncle Owen: Luke! Take these two over to the garage will ya? I want ’em cleaned up before dinner.
Luke: But I was going into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters!
Uncle Owen: You can waste time with your friends when your chores are done. Now, come on. Get to it.

This line in particular is often quoted as an example of how Luke is initially portrayed as a whiny teenager. By the end of the Episode VI:Return of the Jedi, Luke has grown into a mature and powerful Jedi, completing his transformation through the original trilogy.

Transcript

[Black background, lettering in the style of the Star Wars logo.]
Star Wars The Force Awakens
[Building in the desert, two men in the background, another running in front of the building. Next to the building is a sign.]
sign: Tosche Station
[Hooded man standing next to R2D2.]
Hooded man: Hello.
[Closeup of hooded man. The man has a mustache and a beard.]
Hooded man: I’m here for those power converters.
[Black background, white letters resemble movie credits.]
Directed by J.J. Abrams

Star Wars Trivia

Star Wars: The Force Awakens is the seventh live-action film in the Star Wars franchise. The film is the first since the rights to the franchise were sold by Lucas to the Disney Company. The film has also been entrusted to producer/director J.J. Abrams, who in 2009 produced and directed the Star Trek reboot. Much of the early buzz around the film surrounded the nature of the new film's plot: For example, whether it would be a prequel or a sequel, and whether it would feature any of the original cast/characters.

The Star Wars franchise features some of the most well-known science fiction films of all time, and several of the highest-grossing films of all-time. The prior films consist of a trilogy, released between 1977 and 1983, and a prequel trilogy, released between 1999 and 2005. The prequel trilogy, especially the first film, was heavily criticized by many and considered poor in comparison to the original trilogy. The creator, George Lucas, has been criticized for his constant "tinkering" with the films, amending them even after their release. Notably, he started reworking the original trilogy in the 1990s, adding and replacing old special effects using computer graphics, and adding or revising various scenes according to his "original vision". Many people consider George Lucas to have made many negative contributions to the film franchise since the original trilogy was released.

For example, one of the most notable of these was the scene in which Han Solo is introduced, where he is accosted by Greedo, a bounty hunter. Originally, it was strongly suggested that Han surreptitiously shot Greedo from his hip without warning, but in the revised scene, Greedo clearly fires at Han first, prompting him to fire back in self-defense. This change, widely criticized as severely altering the nature of Han Solo's character, was one of many that contributed to calls for Lucas to sell the franchise.


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Discussion

For anybody interested, the dropping of eaves is not an actual activity:

Wikipedia on etymology of eavesdropping

Eavesdrop: "The dripping of water from the eaves of a house; the ground on which such water falls". An eavesdropper was one who stood at the eavesdrop (where the water fell, i.e., near the house) so as to overhear what was said inside.

108.162.229.206 09:10, 13 July 2015 (UTC)


Question: Is there a joke in the J. J. Abrams credit?

108.162.229.206 09:10, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

J. J. Abrams is actually the director / producer of the film in question, Episode VII: The Force Awakens Taibhse (talk) 11:04, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
I want to think the format of the comic is a parody of the opening of Alias or pne of Abrams's other television series. (You would get the title card, a brief sequence to set up the particular episode, then the "Directed by" credit. I'm not absolutely sure since it's been some time since I saw one of those series.) Rawmustard (talk) 13:38, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
The joke in the final panel is the main overall joke, that the entirety of Episode VII's plot is Luke going back to finish his unfinished business on Tatooine of picking up the power converters. Thus we have opening title shot, three panels of storyboard, Luke delivering his line and then cut to credits. It's a wrap! R0hrshach (talk) 16:36, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Staying on the topic of J. J. Abrams... Why no lens flares? - 108.162.222.178 12:11, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

I assumed the hooded man was Luke Skywalker. Is there anyone else it reasonably could be? Djbrasier (talk) 13:30, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Euphemism

I'm sorry, ever since I first saw Episode IV in the 90s, I always interpreted "pick up some power converters" to mean "cruise for dudes", especially given how the line was delivered. Even Uncle Owen seemed to share my sentiment. 108.162.219.236 15:12, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Robot Chicken expanded on the power converter line from A New Hope but in the other direction as a euphemism for a strip club routine. R0hrshach (talk) 16:38, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

I thought the comic was a trailer for the movie, as opposed to the whole thing (after all, there's no opening crawl). Anyone else, or is it just me? 108.162.246.164 04:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

That's how I first saw it. Apparently Raw up above saw it like that, too. 108.162.238.179 21:53, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Doesn't make sense - there are many more uncompleted tasks

As to the allegations that there are many unresolved issues in the franchise that have a significant impact on the overall narrative of any of the movies I offered a quote from George Lucas “

I’ve left pretty explicit instructions for there not to be any more features. There will definitely be no ‘Episodes VII-IX’. That’s because there isn’t any story. I mean, I never thought of anything! The ‘Star Wars’ story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story.”

I hope this ends the multiple reverts. I know superfans may read more into stories than exist, but many times the "unresolved issues" they see are just plot gaps and details not judged worthwhile to put into the narrative. 108.162.216.32 19:42, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

It is unquestionable that the series leaves issues unresolved - it is literally impossible to resolve every fine detail. Did Han and Leia get married? Have kids? issue unresolved. Does Luke train new Jedis? Do the Jedis return to power? Does Lando return to be leader of Cloud City again? There's lots of issues left unresolved - I could come up with a hundred - it's just a matter of whether anyone wants to see a movie relating to those issues, which is subjective. I don't read expanded universe stuff, but I'm quite positive there are already expanded universe books or comics that follow Jedi and must address issues that are "unresolved".
As for The Lucas quote, Lucas is full of s*#%. Read "The Secret History of Star Wars" and you will see how Lucas learned a handy catch phrase: "I always intended...." He quickly started using that to start every sentence and avoid any criticism. The film series was originally conceived as an ongoing Flash-Gordon-style serial with maybe 12 films - like a James Bond series - independent plots - each film a self-contained unit, directed by a new director.... His annoyance with the first film and his failing marriage eventually wore him down to the trilogy, but in between he had other numbers. I believe it's in the interviews that precede the special editions on VHS that he claims he has stories planned for 1-3 and 6-9 - that there were three trilogies. He later claimed "I just had vague concepts for 6-9 and never really had any real films planned" and now he says "There's no story left- please don't make sequels!" but this is all just because of another lie. Star Wars was always supposed to be about Luke's journey - until the prequels, then he suddenly jumped over to the lie that "the films were always intended to be the saga of Darth Vader's rise and fall and redemption" However, if that's true, clearly there are no sequels because the story of Vader ends in VI. So he had to revise his claim about 6-9 to suit his story that the series was now all about Vader. It is for this reason that I don't think he deserves to be quoted in this comic because as much as he said "there are no unresolved issues" in one interview, he's said in others that he planned to do sequels. Complete flip flopping. TheHYPO (talk) 20:34, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Of course you are right, sadly the author keeps changing his story. I never bought the story being about Darth, looking at the first film clearly it was about Luke, even the Rebel Alliance is a symbol of luke's struggle with his "father" in the final movie. Clasic coming of age story. But it does show it is reasonable to assume there are no unresolved issues "that have a significant impact on the overall narrative", and that it is possible that Randell may think so. I will put it back if i need it to to stop the reverts, the author did say it. I will word weaker. As to if there are no issues resolved, that was never stated, just that there are no unresolved issues "that have a significant impact on the overall narrative". Those questions may not be significant to the plot of the previous movies in every-ones eyes. Also the explanation of the comic goes first and the trivia was at the bottom, not deleted. 108.162.216.32 23:33, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
The "who shot first" situation has traveled full circle. Star Wars (original release) shows Han shooting first, but the 90's special edition shows Greedo shooting first, as well as the 2000's dvd release. The Blu-ray edition, on the other hand, shows both Han and Greedo shooting at the same time. at least that's my understanding of the scene. Beardmcbeardson (talk) 20:53, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
I respectfully think that suggesting that this comic is a play on Randall suggesting that the "power converters" is the only unresolved thread in the films is incorrect. I think the point of this comic was simply Randall's musing on "What would be the most disappointing sequel possible?" with the response being "Luke picking up those power converters he mentioned needing to pick up in the first movie". It's a sequel because it ties to the prior films, but it's completely boring because it's pointless, emotionless and procedural and literally one scene. It might also be a musing on Randall's part of whether die hard star wars fans would still pay to see such a movie over and over again (hey, it does feature luke and contain a major callback to the first film) or that Disney would milk, the franchise by putting out a one-scene film with little or no plot. That's all just my opinion though. I don't htink any of it (including the unresolved issues bit) should go into the article. That's what this discussion section is for. TheHYPO (talk) 04:21, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Explanation

In the Explanation, in the section "The Comic", the word 'those' has been rendered in bold in the sentence "I'm here for those power converters". Is there an reason for this? I don't see it that way in the comic itself.These Are Not The Coments You Are Looking For (talk) 02:05, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Samwise and Gardening

In the Explanation it talks about Sam's task of gardening being unresolved, and implies that it's not important. However, in the books that's really the conclusion to the story: Sam takes the gift from Galadriel and replants trees all throughout the Shire, ending the destruction caused by Saruman. Lts13 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)