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[[Black Hat]] is, once again, thoroughly confusing [[Cueball]], (like for instance in [[908: The Cloud]] and others). This time, when inquired about a chute extruding from his wardrobe, Black Hat explains that it is a {{w|Chute_(gravity)#Building_chute|garbage chute}} into another dimension. Apparently these kind of portals appear on about half of all the furniture that Black Hat buys, and he is kinda annoyed about it. (This sounds more like something [[Beret Guy]] would encounter, although he would for sure have reacted very differently than Black Hat)
 
[[Black Hat]] is, once again, thoroughly confusing [[Cueball]], (like for instance in [[908: The Cloud]] and others). This time, when inquired about a chute extruding from his wardrobe, Black Hat explains that it is a {{w|Chute_(gravity)#Building_chute|garbage chute}} into another dimension. Apparently these kind of portals appear on about half of all the furniture that Black Hat buys, and he is kinda annoyed about it. (This sounds more like something [[Beret Guy]] would encounter, although he would for sure have reacted very differently than Black Hat)
  
Cueball assumes that this is a reference to ''{{w|The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe}}'' the first book in {{w|The Chronicles of Narnia}} by {{w|C. S. Lewis}}. In the books the characters uses different portals to get into {{w|Narnia}}, and in the first book the children find the portal inside an old wardrobe, and they use it at least three times to travel into Narnia. And Cueball is appalled to learn that Black Hat dumps his trash in Narnia. Narnia is a children's book and is a magical world, so it may seem sacrilegious to be throwing trash there.
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Cueball assumes that this is a reference to ''{{w|The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe}}'' the first book in {{w|The Chronicles of Narnia}} by {{w|C. S. Lewis}}. In the books the characters uses different portals to get into {{w|Narnia}}, and in the first book the children find the portal inside an old wardrobe, and they use it at least three times to travel into Narnia. Narnia is a children's book and is a magical world so Cueball is appalled to learn that Black Hat dumps his trash in Narnia.
  
Black Hat confirms that it is Narnia, and explains how this is a great time-saver for him, as he can easily get rid of his trash. But as it seems he never enters this portal himself, it could be a portal into any of the many different worlds in different dimensions that are mentioned in the Narnia books. Only three of them are ever visited though, but in the book {{w|The Magician's Nephew}} (a prequel to the first book), it is revealed that there is a way station in between all these different worlds, a forest with lakes that leads into the different worlds. This forest was referenced in [[1352: Cosmologist on a Tire Swing]].
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Black Hat confirms that it is Narnia, and explains how this is a great time-saver for him, as he can easily get rid of his trash. But as it seems he never enters this portal himself, it could be a portal into any of the many different worlds in different dimensions that are mentioned in the Narnia books. Only three of them are ever visited though, but in the book {{w|The Magician's Nephew}} (a prequel to the first book), it is revealed that there is a way station in between all these different worlds, a forest with many lakes where each lake leads into a different world. This forest was referenced in [[1352: Cosmologist on a Tire Swing]].
  
If it is Narnia then the huge cat he refers to is {{w|Aslan}}, a Magical lion that represents God in Narnia. In his Lion form he walks around in and watches over Narnia. It is revealed that he is also the guardian of the other worlds, where he has different names and take on different appearances, so he is actually a representation of God.
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If it is Narnia then the huge cat he refers to is {{w|Aslan}}, a Magical lion that represents God in Narnia. In his Lion form he sometimes walks around in Narnia and he watches over Narnia, but not all the time. It is revealed in the last book that he is also the guardian of the other worlds, where he has different names and take on different appearances, so he is actually a representation of God, but always a benevolent God.
  
Aslan, or any other inhabitants of such a different world, would probably be really pissed that someone is throwing their trash there. He would probably try to stop this by any means necessary, even if that means coming up through a trash chute into another dimension. But, because lions are a type of cat (feline), apparently he can be repelled with an ordinary spray bottle, usually used on small house cats. It would be unlikely to work on a lion, especially if the lion was a representation of God, the same God as in Black Hat's world.
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Aslan, or any other large cat or inhabitants of such a different world, would probably be really pissed that someone is throwing their trash there. He would probably try to stop this by any means necessary, even if that means coming up through a trash chute into another dimension. But, because lions are a type of cat (feline), apparently he can be repelled with an ordinary spray bottle, usually used on small house cats. It would be unlikely to work on a lion, especially if the lion was a representation of God, the same God as in Black Hat's world.
  
If one cares about the rules of the Narnia continuity, this comic would have to be set during the books. Because in the last book Narnia seizes to exist. The wardrobe in the first book only worked sometimes, and after the first book it could never be used again. Had this been such a wardrobe then it would just fill with trash. So obviously this is not that wardrobe. And is this is in the present, then the portal may be into another world than Narnia (a world with either Aslan, or another big cat). But even if it was always open, then it doesn't actually suck anything in so how would the trash get over to the other side? But if Black Hat pushed it over, then his problems would be solved as mentioned in the title text.  
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If one cares about the rules of the Narnia continuity, this comic would have to be set during the books. Because in the last book Narnia seizes to exist. The wardrobe in the first book only worked sometimes, and after the first book it could never be used again. Had this been such a wardrobe then it would just fill with trash. So obviously this is not that wardrobe. And if this comic is set in the present, then this could be explained by letting the portal be into any of the other worlds mentioned in Narnia (a world with either Aslan, or another big cat). But even if it was always open, then it doesn't actually suck anything in so would the trash get over to the other side? It could if Black Hat pushed down on it and pressed some of it over the border to the other portal. And that would solve this problems as mentioned in the title text.  
  
In the title text the fact that time passes much faster in Narnia than on Earth is mentioned. (Time does not pass at a constant rate compared to Earth time). This could also be the case if Black Hat's world would be a different one than Narnia. So everything that is actually pushed to the other side of the portal would be disposed of very efficiently as within just a few Earth minutes, the trash could completely decompose. And this would then explain how Black Hat can keep pushing more stuff into the other world. Anything getting over the border will vanish before he comes with his next trash bag.   
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In the title text the fact that time passes much faster in Narnia than on Earth is mentioned. (Time does not pass at a constant rate compared to Earth time). This could also be the case even if Black Hat's world would be a different one than Narnia. So everything that is actually pushed to the other side of the portal would be disposed of very efficiently as within just a few Earth minutes, the trash could completely decompose. And this would then explain how Black Hat can keep pushing more stuff into the other world. Anything getting over the border will vanish before he comes with his next trash bag.   
  
Also in the title text {{w|Yucca Mountain}} is mentioned. This is a reference to {{w|Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository}} a proposed nuclear waste repository, that has been abandoned at present time. Black Hat wants to contact those that wish to make such a repository and let them dispose of their radioactive waste through his "magical" portal, likely to make a profit for himself.
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Also in the title text {{w|Yucca Mountain}} is mentioned. This is a reference to {{w|Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository}} a proposed nuclear waste repository, that has been abandoned at present time. Black Hat wants to contact those that wish to make such a repository and let them dispose of their radioactive waste through his "magical" portal, likely to make a profit for himself. If throwing trash into Narnia is terrible, what then about radioactive waste... Of course in Earth time it would then soon have decayed to back ground levels...
  
 
The portal to Narnia was previously featured in [[665: Prudence]] and [[969: Delta-P]] and  the different passage of time was mentioned in [[821: Five-Minute Comics: Part 3]]).
 
The portal to Narnia was previously featured in [[665: Prudence]] and [[969: Delta-P]] and  the different passage of time was mentioned in [[821: Five-Minute Comics: Part 3]]).

Revision as of 14:35, 16 January 2017

Trash
Plus, time's all weird in there, so most of it probably broke down and decomposed hundreds of years ago. Which reminds me, I've been meaning to get in touch with Yucca Mountain to see if they're interested in a partnership.
Title text: Plus, time's all weird in there, so most of it probably broke down and decomposed hundreds of years ago. Which reminds me, I've been meaning to get in touch with Yucca Mountain to see if they're interested in a partnership.

Explanation

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Black Hat is, once again, thoroughly confusing Cueball, (like for instance in 908: The Cloud and others). This time, when inquired about a chute extruding from his wardrobe, Black Hat explains that it is a garbage chute into another dimension. Apparently these kind of portals appear on about half of all the furniture that Black Hat buys, and he is kinda annoyed about it. (This sounds more like something Beret Guy would encounter, although he would for sure have reacted very differently than Black Hat)

Cueball assumes that this is a reference to The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe the first book in The Chronicles of Narnia by C. S. Lewis. In the books the characters uses different portals to get into Narnia, and in the first book the children find the portal inside an old wardrobe, and they use it at least three times to travel into Narnia. Narnia is a children's book and is a magical world so Cueball is appalled to learn that Black Hat dumps his trash in Narnia.

Black Hat confirms that it is Narnia, and explains how this is a great time-saver for him, as he can easily get rid of his trash. But as it seems he never enters this portal himself, it could be a portal into any of the many different worlds in different dimensions that are mentioned in the Narnia books. Only three of them are ever visited though, but in the book The Magician's Nephew (a prequel to the first book), it is revealed that there is a way station in between all these different worlds, a forest with many lakes where each lake leads into a different world. This forest was referenced in 1352: Cosmologist on a Tire Swing.

If it is Narnia then the huge cat he refers to is Aslan, a Magical lion that represents God in Narnia. In his Lion form he sometimes walks around in Narnia and he watches over Narnia, but not all the time. It is revealed in the last book that he is also the guardian of the other worlds, where he has different names and take on different appearances, so he is actually a representation of God, but always a benevolent God.

Aslan, or any other large cat or inhabitants of such a different world, would probably be really pissed that someone is throwing their trash there. He would probably try to stop this by any means necessary, even if that means coming up through a trash chute into another dimension. But, because lions are a type of cat (feline), apparently he can be repelled with an ordinary spray bottle, usually used on small house cats. It would be unlikely to work on a lion, especially if the lion was a representation of God, the same God as in Black Hat's world.

If one cares about the rules of the Narnia continuity, this comic would have to be set during the books. Because in the last book Narnia seizes to exist. The wardrobe in the first book only worked sometimes, and after the first book it could never be used again. Had this been such a wardrobe then it would just fill with trash. So obviously this is not that wardrobe. And if this comic is set in the present, then this could be explained by letting the portal be into any of the other worlds mentioned in Narnia (a world with either Aslan, or another big cat). But even if it was always open, then it doesn't actually suck anything in so would the trash get over to the other side? It could if Black Hat pushed down on it and pressed some of it over the border to the other portal. And that would solve this problems as mentioned in the title text.

In the title text the fact that time passes much faster in Narnia than on Earth is mentioned. (Time does not pass at a constant rate compared to Earth time). This could also be the case even if Black Hat's world would be a different one than Narnia. So everything that is actually pushed to the other side of the portal would be disposed of very efficiently as within just a few Earth minutes, the trash could completely decompose. And this would then explain how Black Hat can keep pushing more stuff into the other world. Anything getting over the border will vanish before he comes with his next trash bag.

Also in the title text Yucca Mountain is mentioned. This is a reference to Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository a proposed nuclear waste repository, that has been abandoned at present time. Black Hat wants to contact those that wish to make such a repository and let them dispose of their radioactive waste through his "magical" portal, likely to make a profit for himself. If throwing trash into Narnia is terrible, what then about radioactive waste... Of course in Earth time it would then soon have decayed to back ground levels...

The portal to Narnia was previously featured in 665: Prudence and 969: Delta-P and the different passage of time was mentioned in 821: Five-Minute Comics: Part 3).

Transcript

[Cueball looking at garbage chute attached to wardrobe]
Cueball: What's this thing on your wardrobe?
[Black Hat off-panel]
Black Hat: Garbage chute.
[Cueball and Black Hat face each other]
Cueball: Into a wardrobe?
Black hat: There's some sort of magical portal in there. Half the furniture I get has them - it's kind of a pain.
Cueball: You dump your trash in Narnia?
Black Hat: Yeah, it's a real time-saver.
There's a huge cat in there, but I have a spray bottle I use when he tries to come up through the chute.


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Discussion

I put in an explanation, but I'm on a mobile device, so someone will need to fix all the spacing, and necessary links, and probably fix a bunch of other stuff too. Yosho27 (talk) 07:26, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Yucca Mountain is a nuclear waste storage. STEN (talk) 07:33, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps one should mention that Narnia is a retelling of the Christian tradition. Aslan created all 'dimensions' or worlds including ours and is the allegorical Jesus. Narnia is a wonderful world for children, at least most of the time, when there are no witches, where they can have fun and are able to prove more noble than in the real world. Both makes dumping trash in Narnia quite sacrilegious. Sebastian --162.158.89.115 08:07, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

I have mentioned some of it. But I do not think it is especially important for this comic, only for the fact that Aslan is God everywhere, and since Narnia is a dead world today, then Aslan could be in a different world that Blacl Hat taps into. --Kynde (talk) 14:50, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Presumerably also the whole comic is a reference/cynical look at human's history of dumping things in the sea and so on? ( see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_debris for example) 141.101.107.162 11:25, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Added some on this especially regarding the nuclear waste --Kynde (talk) 14:50, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Is Black Hat getting his furniture from Beret Guy's new shop? The wiki itself says that this seems like something that would happen. Comic 1772: Startup Opportunity. SteelStarling (talk) 15:10, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah but probably rather this shop: 1533: Antique Factory ;) The wiki says what the users can agree upon. I wrote most of the current explanation. (And then someone else was so nice to copy edit all my spelling mistakes - not a native English speaker!) --Kynde (talk) 18:45, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

If we dumped radioactive waste into Narnia, wouldn't Narnia receive much less waste per unit time, than we are inserting? Therefore the nuclear waste problem would be much less severe than on Earth? --162.158.59.70 23:31, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Well for some isotopes the half life is billions of year (Uranium for instance) so that kind of waste would not wither away in Narnia which only reaches an age of a few thousand years... So they would sum up even though they came in over a longer period. And most importantly, it was not their problem but ours. Just like 1st world problems are exported to 3rd world countries... --Kynde (talk) 14:24, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Actually, subduction zone tectonic deposition of nuclear waste is a very promising form of nuclear waste disposal that would be considered oceanic disposal, which is why no one's been able to try it yet. Additionally, I'd like to point out that oceanic disposal of nuclear waste isn't really a current issue, since it's been banned by a number of treaties, and nuclear power plants are monitored closely enough that it doesn't really happen anymore. 162.158.122.108 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Anyone else think that this is pretty derivative of this SMBC comic? Similar themes of Narnia and the nuclear waste: Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal. 129.59.122.25 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Yes, added it to the explanation. Thanks ;-) --Kynde (talk) 14:21, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

The first two panels read naturally with "Narnia" as a metaphor for a culture's sacred narratives, and "garbage chute" as a metaphor for the exploitation of those narratives by sociopathic individuals/corporations/subcultures (in the person of Black Hat). Then per the Narnia Wiki ( http://narnia.wikia.com/wiki/Cat ), the name of the "large cat" is Ginger, whose Narnia-fate is to become soulless; transparently a reference to a "ginger"-haired American politician "He Who Must Not Be Named". John Sidles (talk) 11:02, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Could be, but more probably Aslan is referenced as cat. --162.158.88.164 09:57, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Do we need a Narnia category? There are quite a few references to the books now... --Kynde (talk) 15:18, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

The Pevensies went to Narnia because Aslan wanted them to know him better there so that they could learn to know him here. Edward and Eustace both learned to be much better people there. If half his furniture has portals, then it seems to me that Aslan is *really* trying hard to reach Black Hat! 162.158.179.214 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

The explanation refers to The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe as being the first Narnia book. However, it is only arguably so. As I understand it, it was the first one written, but as it turned into a series, C.S. Lewis wrote another book to be book 1 of the series, The Magician's Nephew, as I recall, making this actually the second book of the series. But Book 1 seems often skipped, especially in adaptations (such as the BBC miniseries series of the 80s and the more recent movies), so Wardrobe is the best known and Book 1 seems often overlooked. Nevertheless, it IS the first book now, and has been for decades. - NiceGuy1 162.158.62.21 03:33, 20 January 2017 (UTC) I finally signed up! This comment is mine. NiceGuy1 (talk) 03:54, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

When reading, 'The Magician's Nephew' feels like it fits more naturally as the sixth book (which is when it was published), even though its events predate 'The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe'. A similar thing happens with the fifth published book 'The Horse and His Boy', which has events that take place within the time jump in the last chapter of 'The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe'. Thaledison (talk) 16:38, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Also, I used to collect copies of this series. Most of the copies I have have the book number on them, and the first time I saw a collection with 'The Magician's Nephew' as the first book was in the mid-late 1990s. -- Thaledison (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)