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Many of the measures humans have undertaken to fight SARS CoV-2 (the virus that causes the COVID-19 coronavirus disease), such as careful handwashing and sanitization of frequently-touched surfaces, are effective against other viruses. This strip suggests that the viruses that cause the common cold are in a desperate situation and may, collaterally to the COVID-19 issue, end up being eliminated. Consequently, large, sentient versions of these viruses appear and plead for mercy, asking that people stop the good hygiene practices that "make things really hard" for them to reproduce.
 
Many of the measures humans have undertaken to fight SARS CoV-2 (the virus that causes the COVID-19 coronavirus disease), such as careful handwashing and sanitization of frequently-touched surfaces, are effective against other viruses. This strip suggests that the viruses that cause the common cold are in a desperate situation and may, collaterally to the COVID-19 issue, end up being eliminated. Consequently, large, sentient versions of these viruses appear and plead for mercy, asking that people stop the good hygiene practices that "make things really hard" for them to reproduce.
  
However, while colds are unlikely to kill otherwise healthy humans, they are still unpleasant. Randall has previously described the unpleasant nature of colds described by the viruses in [[1612: Colds]], and in [[1618: Cold Medicine]], Cueball was suffering from a cold severe enough that he didn't care what sort of authority watchlist he ended up on as long as he got effective medicine to weaken the symptoms. As such, Cueball {{tvtropes|BigNO|denies the request of the viruses with vehemence}}.
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However, while colds are unlikely to kill otherwise healthy humans, they are still unpleasant. Randall has previously described the unpleasant nature of colds described by the viruses in [[1612: Colds]], and in [[1618: Cold Medicine]], Cueball was suffering from a cold severe enough that he didn't care what sort of authority watchlist he ended up on as long as he got effective medicine to weaken the symptoms. As such, Cueball denies the request of the viruses with vehemence.
  
 
The ''[[what_if?|what if?]]'' book previously dealt with the plausibility of eliminating the common cold through aggressive physical distancing alone.
 
The ''[[what_if?|what if?]]'' book previously dealt with the plausibility of eliminating the common cold through aggressive physical distancing alone.

Revision as of 09:42, 14 May 2020

Common Cold
Not even metapneumovirus, easily the common cold virus with the coolest name, warrants our sympathy. Colds suck. No mercy.
Title text: Not even metapneumovirus, easily the common cold virus with the coolest name, warrants our sympathy. Colds suck. No mercy.

Explanation

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Many of the measures humans have undertaken to fight SARS CoV-2 (the virus that causes the COVID-19 coronavirus disease), such as careful handwashing and sanitization of frequently-touched surfaces, are effective against other viruses. This strip suggests that the viruses that cause the common cold are in a desperate situation and may, collaterally to the COVID-19 issue, end up being eliminated. Consequently, large, sentient versions of these viruses appear and plead for mercy, asking that people stop the good hygiene practices that "make things really hard" for them to reproduce.

However, while colds are unlikely to kill otherwise healthy humans, they are still unpleasant. Randall has previously described the unpleasant nature of colds described by the viruses in 1612: Colds, and in 1618: Cold Medicine, Cueball was suffering from a cold severe enough that he didn't care what sort of authority watchlist he ended up on as long as he got effective medicine to weaken the symptoms. As such, Cueball denies the request of the viruses with vehemence.

The what if? book previously dealt with the plausibility of eliminating the common cold through aggressive physical distancing alone.

Transcript

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Virus #1: Hi there! We're the viruses that cause the common cold.
Virus #1: This handwashing ...
Virus #1: It stops when this is all over, right?
Virus #1: It's just, it's making things really hard for us, too.
Virus #1: Maybe we could make a deal?
Virus #2: We won't kill you!
Virus #2: We just want to get back in your throat and make you feel gross now and then.
Virus #1: Show us some mercy?

[Closeup on Cueball.]

[Cueball makes a fist.]

Cueball: No.


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Discussion

WHEN COVID19 IS DONE KEEP UP WITH THE HAND WASHING!108.162.216.122 23:16, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

I saw a thing reshared some time last month claiming that after the hand-sanitizer-and-masks outbreak in Japan, some regions were recording record low numbers of influenza hospitalisations for this time of year. Thought that would be nice; but could only find unsourced claims. Would be nice to think there really was that kind of silver lining. Angel (talk) 23:30, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Since people are really staying away from each other, the only way flu and common cold can spread has also been eliminated. So of course the rate has dropped. But yes, would be nice to see some citations. --Kynde (talk) 12:13, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Found this Coronavirus isolation measures are reducing all flu-like diseases, not just COVID-19.--Kynde (talk) 12:15, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
And this is more up to date: Coronavirus: Doctors see huge drop in flu, common cold, diarrhoea and conjunctivitis cases since circuit breaker measures. --Kynde (talk) 12:16, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
While this SEEMS good news, I have wondered for a while now if, by eliminating harmless cold viruses that our immune systems are more or less accustomed to as "collateral damage", we might not accidentally open up new ecological niches, which then get occupied by MORE new pathogens that our immune systems are NOT accustomed to. So, it may actually a good idea to consider that deal.... --162.158.159.122 13:50, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
I don't think cold viruses are thought to be part of healthy gut flora (or gut fauna), but the "hygiene hypothesis" posits that failure to properly seed the microbiome in early childhood (i.e. not enough dirt in life) may lead to increased prevalence of allergies and other autoimmune disorders, because (perhaps) the immune system is under-exercised and so some of its regulatory mechanisms are under-developed. --NotaBene (talk) 15:02, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Stepping up the speculativeness up a notch, an immune systeme permanently on the alert by flu might be good against cancer. That said, maybe the poor virii should just try to look more cute? 162.158.159.90 08:09, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


By social distancing, we are not harming cold viruses more than anything else ; what we are doing is basically shrinking the ecological niche containing it. So, no ... unless we will be so good in it we really eliminate cold viruses and when we do, we will then stop social distancing and grow the ecological niche again. -- Hkmaly (talk) 22:16, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


You guys are engaging in uneducated speculation. PLEASE STOP! Viruses are nothing at all like bacteria (which make up the gut biome). The mere fact that we need new influenza vaccines every year should make it clear that exposure to flu virus does nothing to generate "multi-capable antibodies" . Yes, playing in dirt may build up the immune system's ability to handle bacterial loads, but no it has nothing to do with viruses. Cellocgw (talk) 11:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

According to Taiwan National Infectious Disease Statistics System, the number of severe influenza cases in Taiwan was 109 on week 1 of 2020, then drop to zero since March. 172.69.34.58 04:54, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Based on the railroad's Twitter feed which announces when service is suspended because someone got hit by a train, it seems that deaths from being hit by trains are down where I live. I'd expect some reduction in accidental deaths due to fewer trains per day running. However, the reduction in deaths is greater than the reduction in train service, so that's not the full explanation, especially since most of the deaths were suicides.108.162.215.250 05:27, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Has the general rate of suicide changed? Barmar (talk) 16:35, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
In Finland the sucide rate has been up 15% this spring.

Was this comic posted a day late? 172.69.130.10 11:36, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

No. But the DGBRt bot that uploads the comic is in the wrong time zone and there it was May 14th. But in the archive on xkcd it is listed as a May 13 release. I have corrected the wrong date. This has happened with two comics now over the last few releases. --Kynde (talk) 12:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Current transcript indicates he is shouting the "no" in the last frame. I read this significantly more as an extremely forceful spoken word, not so much "THIS IS SPARTA!" OhFFS (talk) 16:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Agree. Fixed. -boB (talk) 21:21, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

I AM THE DREAD FAUCET ROBERTS. THERE WILL BE NO SURVIVORS! 108.162.250.67 00:45, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


In the end, the only way to eliminate it *finally,* for good, is either almost everyone has immunity, or social distancing, contact tracing and similar measures. No matter how difficult. If immunity doesn't last long, then you've got a permanent problem unless social distancing can be maintained INDEFINITELY. And I want to point out that the problem becomes not just permanent but gains the potential to kill faster than people can breed. 108.162.246.251 10:26, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Now it seems there are correlations between antibodies to common colds and to C-19

https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2820%2930610-3&utm_medium=email&utm_source=CampaignMonitor_Editorial&utm_campaign=LNCH%20%2020200515%20%20Facebook%20%20SM+CID_262b5ad3cf7ba8cf30318d3392774724


What the fuck. Respirational viruses are NOT spread via contact/smear infections. It is theoretically possible, if you finger sth that a sick person freshly coughed on, and directly dig your nose afterwards. You certainly get measels this way, where twenty or thirty virus particles are enough to give you a 50% chance to catch an infection, BUT NOT coronaviruses, where you need to breathe in ten thousands of particles for the same effect.

Dear Mr. Monroe, it is disgusting to now read this fakenews from your comic. Handwashing is good against all sorts of gastrointestinal maladies. Which is why hospitals are so strict on it. One day of diarrhoea and fluid loss is a deadly threat to anyone with a weakened body. But this has nothing to do with the flu or covid-19. --162.158.93.33 18:16, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

He (probably) doesn't read this, and nothing he put here as entertainment is "fake news" in any practical way. It's artistic licence without claiming authority. Viruses also aren't macroscopic, sentient and capable of conversation to the level of being able to ask for a boon. (Also, IME, those who shout most about fake news are believers or even instigators of actual fake news being touted as 'truth', so perhaps find a better term to argue with than that particularly devalued one. Just my general advice, which won't change very many people's minds, I know.) 141.101.98.222 14:21, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't think it much matters whether the handwashing helps against coronavirus. The fact is: more people are washing their hands and doing it properly than ever before. And the point he is trying to make is that (regardless of it's effect on coronavirus) it is likely helping to fight things like the common cold.

No it doesn´t. Coronaviruses ARE one cause for the common cold, only that the current one has the side effect of making pneumonia more often than it´s brothers which are circulating the world every year. You don´t get it via smear infection, because that hardly gives you a dose high enough for an infection, period. And that is the same for all other pathogens wich cause the common colds, of which there are a number.
But thank you for proving my point. --162.158.91.11 11:32, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Where's the joke 108.162.219.8 00:46, 22 September 2020 (UTC)