https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1112:_Think_Logically&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:1112: Think Logically - Revision history2024-03-29T15:59:54ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.30.0https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1112:_Think_Logically&diff=212140&oldid=prevBeanie at 11:37, 19 May 20212021-05-19T11:37:33Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>After a careful analysis of what little we can see of the board in the comic, my best estimate is that the game went something like 1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nc6 3. Qh5 Nf6 4. Qxf7#. Move 2 I get from the fact that there appears to be a white bishop in the center and a black knight somewhere on the 6th rank. Move 1 I get because it's required for Bc4 on move 2, assuming a remotely normal opening (given Cueball's call to "think logically", it seems likely that he would instinctively grasp such basic principles as attacking in the center and developing pieces). White's move 3 and 4 are the necessary moves to deliver the checkmate. I don't know Black's move 3, other than that it doesn't prevent the mate, isn't a queen move and doesn't place any important pieces further forward than the 6th rank. The possible moves are Nf6, Be7, Bd6, d6, and b6. My best guess is Nf6 because: b6 is unlikely because no one plays a fianchetto without having seen one before, they're just not intuitive; d6 and Bd6 are unlikely because White doesn't challenge the e5 square and it's not likely that a beginner would think d6 is the most natural square to develop the bishop to, though d6 is possible since it allows the development of the light-squared bishop; Be7 is unlikely because it's a very unintuitive way to develop the bishop; and Nf6 is very likely because it's an obvious developing move, and besides it attacks the queen, only for the queen to deliver checkmate, which could lead Cueball to the conclusion that "knights are too weak". Some version of this analysis might be fit for the article, but it might be a little too arcane, so I'd like another's opinion before I edit it in. The one change I would definitely say should be made is that the part where the article speculates on fool's mate v.s. scholar's mate should be appended to say that the apparent position of pieces on the board almost guarantees that it is the scholar's mate. [[User:PlasmaKitten42|PlasmaKitten42]] ([[User talk:PlasmaKitten42|talk]]) 19:22, 2 December 2020 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>After a careful analysis of what little we can see of the board in the comic, my best estimate is that the game went something like 1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nc6 3. Qh5 Nf6 4. Qxf7#. Move 2 I get from the fact that there appears to be a white bishop in the center and a black knight somewhere on the 6th rank. Move 1 I get because it's required for Bc4 on move 2, assuming a remotely normal opening (given Cueball's call to "think logically", it seems likely that he would instinctively grasp such basic principles as attacking in the center and developing pieces). White's move 3 and 4 are the necessary moves to deliver the checkmate. I don't know Black's move 3, other than that it doesn't prevent the mate, isn't a queen move and doesn't place any important pieces further forward than the 6th rank. The possible moves are Nf6, Be7, Bd6, d6, and b6. My best guess is Nf6 because: b6 is unlikely because no one plays a fianchetto without having seen one before, they're just not intuitive; d6 and Bd6 are unlikely because White doesn't challenge the e5 square and it's not likely that a beginner would think d6 is the most natural square to develop the bishop to, though d6 is possible since it allows the development of the light-squared bishop; Be7 is unlikely because it's a very unintuitive way to develop the bishop; and Nf6 is very likely because it's an obvious developing move, and besides it attacks the queen, only for the queen to deliver checkmate, which could lead Cueball to the conclusion that "knights are too weak". Some version of this analysis might be fit for the article, but it might be a little too arcane, so I'd like another's opinion before I edit it in. The one change I would definitely say should be made is that the part where the article speculates on fool's mate v.s. scholar's mate should be appended to say that the apparent position of pieces on the board almost guarantees that it is the scholar's mate. [[User:PlasmaKitten42|PlasmaKitten42]] ([[User talk:PlasmaKitten42|talk]]) 19:22, 2 December 2020 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Beaniehttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1112:_Think_Logically&diff=202592&oldid=prevPlasmaKitten42: Analyzing the pieces on the board suggests scholar's mate along the lines of 1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nc6 3. Qh5 Nf6 4. Qxf7#2020-12-02T19:22:02Z<p>Analyzing the pieces on the board suggests scholar's mate along the lines of 1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nc6 3. Qh5 Nf6 4. Qxf7#</p>
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</table>PlasmaKitten42https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1112:_Think_Logically&diff=180214&oldid=prevLupo: fully learned how to use it, sorry for multiple edits2019-09-20T11:37:28Z<p>fully learned how to use it, sorry for multiple edits</p>
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</table>Lupohttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1112:_Think_Logically&diff=180213&oldid=prevLupo: found out how to sign other peoples comment myself! :)2019-09-20T11:27:58Z<p>found out how to sign other peoples comment myself! :)</p>
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</table>Lupohttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1112:_Think_Logically&diff=180212&oldid=prevLupo: someone please add the unsigned IP template to the comment above...2019-09-20T11:26:30Z<p>someone please add the unsigned IP template to the comment above...</p>
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</table>Lupohttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1112:_Think_Logically&diff=180211&oldid=prev162.158.134.154: Added comment about identiy of "guy with knit cap"2019-09-20T11:16:08Z<p>Added comment about identiy of "guy with knit cap"</p>
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</table>Dgbrthttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1112:_Think_Logically&diff=157809&oldid=prev162.158.214.22: First two paragraphs are useless2018-05-28T16:47:03Z<p>First two paragraphs are useless</p>
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</table>162.158.62.87https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1112:_Think_Logically&diff=116013&oldid=prevKynde: knit cap not skull cap beanie etc. And a guy2016-03-31T22:07:42Z<p>knit cap not skull cap beanie etc. And a guy</p>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::Yes not his wife as it is a guy according to [http://xkcd.com/1112/info.0.json official transcript] which calls him ''Knit hat guy'', thus also making it clear that this is a {{w|knit cap}}. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 22:07, 31 March 2016 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I've always thought of this comic as being one of those nerdy 13 year olds that are chess geniuses (I call them geniuses because I can't play chess, it's too complicated for me, my cat beats me), and for some reason, these brilliant kids are almost always portrayed as beanie toting. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]])  16:47, 13 December 2012 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I've always thought of this comic as being one of those nerdy 13 year olds that are chess geniuses (I call them geniuses because I can't play chess, it's too complicated for me, my cat beats me), and for some reason, these brilliant kids are almost always portrayed as beanie toting. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]])  16:47, 13 December 2012 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
</table>Kynde