Editing Talk:1989: IMHO

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I have never heard anyone use it like "Humble". Probably because "in my humble opinion" sounds more condescending than anything, along with the fact that a lot of people love to state things ironically, especially nowadays; seems important to point out when you're actually being sincere sometimes because of that.[[Special:Contributions/162.158.186.12|162.158.186.12]] 19:32, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
::I use it to mean "humble", wasn't aware that there was an alternative. But then when I was a kid, V.23 was cutting edge. The use of "humble" is not condescending, it is sarcasm. For a master class, watch practically any episode of "My So-Called Life". [[Special:Contributions/108.162.229.16|108.162.229.16]] 22:16, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
::::IIRC, "IMO" came first, and the "H" was added precisely because "in my opinion" had a condescending tone. Seeing it interpreted the other way around is...imho...odd, but as I get older (...seeing lost histories change other meanings like this) it's getting less surprising. [[User:Elvenivle|Elvenivle]] ([[User talk:Elvenivle|talk]]) 01:32, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I mean, the dress is b&w if you have one of the forms of colorblindness. Although, what colors ''is'' it? [[User:SilverMagpie|SilverMagpie]] ([[User talk:SilverMagpie|talk]]) 16:33, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
: The gold/black part is 61522F hex and the white/blue part is 8190B2 hex. So it's brown and blue. [[User:Grabadora304|Grabadora304]] ([[User talk:Grabadora304|talk]]) 16:55, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
::So that explains the colors represented by the photo; what about the colors of the dress itself? I'd guess black & gold, based purely upon the discussions I've heard. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 20:52, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:::The dress was blue with black lace. And I've added the fact that Randall had made a comic because of the dress ([[1492: Dress Color]]). [[User:Herobrine|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine|talk]]) 01:04, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
Currently adding transcript. [[User:Chbs|Chbs]] ([[User talk:Chbs|talk]]) 16:38, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:Did top row. Feel free to format it differently. [[User:SilverMagpie|SilverMagpie]] ([[User talk:SilverMagpie|talk]]) 16:42, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
::''Screams in edit conflicts.'' [[User:Chbs|Chbs]] ([[User talk:Chbs|talk]]) 16:53, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:::Okay, I've normalized the formatting to what seems to be the standard: uniform indent with ":".[[User:Chbs|Chbs]] ([[User talk:Chbs|talk]]) 16:57, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:::: What about using tabs?  ;D
::::[[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 20:52, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

AFAIK In normal (British) usage the phrase is "In my humble opinion" and I have heard it said, when someone prefaces their contribution with IMHO it is rarely humble but is definitely an opinion. [[User:RIIW - Ponder it|RIIW - Ponder it]] ([[User talk:RIIW - Ponder it|talk]]) 16:47, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:The weirdos reading/using it as "honest" _might_ have a problem with the relatively common "IMNSHO." [[Special:Contributions/172.68.58.41|172.68.58.41]] 14:34, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

No lie, I had a manager who used to refer to the database language as Squeal. As in a high-pitched animal sound. We had an in-house database tool called PiggySQL. [[User:Thaledison|Thaledison]] ([[User talk:Thaledison|talk]]) 17:26, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:I've always preferred that pronunciation too. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 20:53, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Dammit.  Now my brain will always translate "OMG" to "oh, my genitals".[[Special:Contributions/172.68.58.167|172.68.58.167]] 17:45, 4 May 2018 (UTC)Pat
:Actually I will keep this in mind. If someone OMGs me in a "discussion" on the web my response will be: Just scratch... [[Special:Contributions/172.68.51.10|172.68.51.10]] 18:08, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
::+1 And I didn't even know what "tbh" means, but then Im probably getting old. --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.110.100|172.68.110.100]] 10:17, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

The single space convention became the standard [[wikipedia:History_of_sentence_spacing#Movement_to_single_sentence_spacing|waaay before HTML]]. [[User:Cgrimes85|Cgrimes85]] ([[User talk:Cgrimes85|talk]]) 18:13, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:Standard, but less readable. For printed documents (especially stories with a lot of lengthy paragraphs) I'd still strongly recommend using double spaces because it's easier for the reader to discern sentence breaks. Incidentally, I had points deducted from English papers lacking that extra space as late as 1998. 
::Funny - I always interpreted the period at the end of sentences as the end of the sentence in question, discerning any dot used for abbreviations based on context... [[User:Brettpeirce|Brettpeirce]] ([[User talk:Brettpeirce|talk]]) 19:28, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
:(By the way, that link you gave is broken:
:"Trouble Encountered ~ can't fetch document")
:[[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 21:10, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:: If you print documents with monospace font, using just single space is NOT the main reason it's hard to read. You should use proportional font and tool actually designed to handle printing, which include having better option than using two spaces. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 03:25, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
::: I find variable-width fonts hard to read.  Fixed-width fonts are way clearer and more readable. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.63.75|172.69.63.75]] 18:45, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
:Using extra-wide space between sentences (not necessarily two spaces) goes back to the earliest days of printing, long before the invention of typewriters.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  As a matter of fact, the practice of double-spacing sentences with typewriters got started by trying to mimic the printing practices of the time.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It was only in the mid-20th century (with the 1949 edition of the Chicago Manual of Style) that the recommendation became "one space", in 1969 when they stopped mentioning the earlier customs,  and in the 21st century where they explicitly prohibit any alternative.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; There's a [https://web.archive.org/web/20171207185025/http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324 great article about this] that explains the history in great detail.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Sadly, that blog no longer exists, but the Wayback Machine has preserved the content).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User:Shamino|Shamino]] ([[User talk:Shamino|talk]]) 15:44, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Tabs vs Spaces might also be a reference to the programmer's war on how to indent code correctly. [[User:Ruffy314|Ruffy314]] ([[User talk:Ruffy314|talk]]) 19:25, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:Agreed. I prefer " " (U+2003, A.K.A. &amp;emsp;)
:[[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 21:10, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:: Did you ever manage to RUN some of those programs? :) -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 03:25, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
Maybe I'm reading too much in this, but there is a popular product called "cramp tabs" for use during and right after a period [[User:Sysin|Sysin]] ([[User talk:Sysin|talk]])

I hate to be that guy, but I pronounce Giantess and Gift the same way.--[[User:Henke37|Henke37]] ([[User talk:Henke37|talk]]) 11:06, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
:LOL! (Lots of love [or lots of luck for you old-schoolers])[[Special:Contributions/162.158.255.172|162.158.255.172]] 14:12, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
:With a Dutch G perhaps? [[Special:Contributions/141.101.77.54|141.101.77.54]] 21:50, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
== SQL Pronunciation  ==

For Microsoft's ''SQL Server'', "SQL" should be pronounced "sequel" because it's Microsoft's product, and that's how they pronounce it. I notice young I.T. people tend to try to make abbreviations into pronounceable words (acronyms) rather than go letter-by-letter (initialisms). Many older I.T. people I've met prefer initialism pronunciation. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.150.10|172.68.150.10]] 17:36, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

The term "SQL" existed long before Microsoft started playing; they do not get to change the pronunciation.  I do not think that it is necessarily young IT people who prefer pronouncable words.  "SCSI" being pronounced "scuzzy" has a long tradition.  For myself, I usually say "S-Q-L" but have also used "squeal".  I am 57.  Gene Wirchenko genew@telus.net [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.220|108.162.216.220]] 01:06, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
:I'm aware SQL existed long before Microsoft got into the act. It started as SEQUEL for "Structured English Query Language". Nor did I intend to say that Microsoft dictated the pronunciation for all SQL. In the first sentence, I was only referring to their product.  I use "sequel" for Microsoft's product, but mostly "ess-kew-el" for others. For some reason, my remarks as typed came out shorter than as thought.  [[Special:Contributions/172.68.150.76|172.68.150.76]] 14:39, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

:I've heard S-Q-L, Sequel, and Squirrel. Squeal's new to me. I wonder if there's a Squeal connection available in Squeak (Smalltalk system)?[[Special:Contributions/172.70.55.190|172.70.55.190]] 12:53, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Is it possible the last panel is punning on menstruation?

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ANOTHER one where talking about a debate invents the debate for me! For decades GIF was pronounced "jif" by literally everyone since they were invented, until Big Bang Theory taught me some people (including them) pronounce it wrong. Then SQL, which everyone I've ever met - including in SQL class - pronounced it as S.Q.L., by letters (my favourite was when I learned of this debate, someone saying they used another word with the letters in the right places that was odd, I think "Squeal", which I resolved to use myself, but forgot since it never comes up for me). Now IMHO? This comic is literally the first I hear of this. Another one with a clear answer and no reason for debate: It's an acronym applied to an ages old phrase, which predates all this texting / internet stuff. The saying is "In My Humble Opinion", therefore so is the acronym. That's it. Mixing it up with TBH doesn't make it correct, just like "Should of / would of" isn't correct, nor is "for all intensive purposes", or "ect", or many, many others.

As for the spaces-after-period thing, I was taught 2 in several typing courses, but quickly dropped it to one as a waste of space (I don't mean I think there's a limit to how many times we can use the space bar, I mean to keep things compact, LOL!) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 06:31, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

:For me it (gif) was the other way around. I've never heard anyone call it jif before The Big Bang Theory came around. To this day I still prefer the hard g because it stands for graphics after all. Similar to your reasoning for IMHO being "In My Humble Opinion" which I fully agree with.[[Special:Contributions/162.158.90.150|162.158.90.150]] 06:38, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

::I think the inventor of the GIF file format declared that it is pronounced with a soft G.  Once an abbreviation becomes an acronym, there is no rule that says the letters have to be pronounced the same.  For example, LASER is "La-zer", not "La-cer" (from "stimulated").  SCUBA is "scoo-ba", not "scuh-ba" (from "underwater").  Hence, the guy that coined the word is the ultimate authority of correct pronunciation.  I was also taught 2 spaces after a period (early 1990s), and I kept the habit because it makes it easier to do a search-and-replace on sentence breaks to manipulate the text, or count sentences with a simple regex search (without miscounting other occurrences of period-space). [[Special:Contributions/172.68.141.46|172.68.141.46]] 16:46, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

I, too, was taught to type two spaces after a full stop. I think it had something to do with the font most typewriters used. On a web page, the HTML processor seems to       remove     extra spaces. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.150.76|172.68.150.76]] 14:39, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
:Yes, HTML collapses all whitespace.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Runs of whitespace characters (spaces, tabs, newlines) are all collapsed and rendered as a single space.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; But there are workarounds.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; One of the easiest is to use non-breaking-space characters (<TT>&amp;nbsp;</TT>), which are not collapsed.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  You can see the effect of using them in this comment.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User:Shamino|Shamino]] ([[User talk:Shamino|talk]]) 13:43, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
The dress is blue and gold to me. I don't know why it would be anything else. [[User:HelloWorld|HelloWorld]] ([[User talk:HelloWorld|talk]]) 18:15, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

== Tabs ==

With all the "tantalizing meat info", I wonder if "tabs" can be interpreted as ... some feminine hygienic product? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.246.65|172.70.246.65]] 19:44, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I think the punch line is even here bigger: If you use tabs as another word for pills, you can manage to have no period if using tabs. "None. I use tabs."

"In my humble opinion," began as a grandiose and snarky way to lay down the law while pretending to be modest.  It typically came from a real expert to a newbie who had just expressed some cockamamie idea as fact.  Whether it originated in sf fandom or among computer programmers is irrelevant, given the great overlap between the two populations, especially back in the day.  It's the hackers' version of the Southern U.S. locution, "bless your heart," which is a polite way to say, "I hate your guts."  A similar locution is the re-enactor slang "farby," which refers to an ignorant newbie who gets all the details wrong and derives from "Far be it from me to criticize, but . . .").[[Special:Contributions/162.158.154.36|162.158.154.36]] 20:54, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
: No, "In My Humble Opinion" began as a way to share one's opinion, an opinion the audience may disagree with, while acknowledging that the speaker is no expert or authority on the matter, this is only how they feel and they may in fact be wrong. It's POLITE, and self-aware, as well as being honest about the validity of their words, not grandiose or snarky or talking down at all. That's only how extreme pessimists would interpret it, who don't believe anyone is legitimately polite without an ulterior motive. Though I'll give you that it would often be used by legitimate experts, but as a way to avoid boasting or pathetically trying to add weight to their words. (They were ACTUALLY being humble). It ended up being used YOUR way, sure, but the difference is in the tone of voice and mannerisms. Polite came first. :) (And this is an OLD comic to be commenting on, only reason '''_I_''' saw it is because I happened to look at my Watchlist for once) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:05, 2 July 2023 (UTC)