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This is all wrong. The second move for X, unless O blocked it already, or started off in the centre should be the lower right corner. That way, O will use the centre to block, and then X goes in a third corner, thus sealing the game.[[Special:Contributions/76.29.225.28|76.29.225.28]] 04:59, 23 July 2013 (UTC) | This is all wrong. The second move for X, unless O blocked it already, or started off in the centre should be the lower right corner. That way, O will use the centre to block, and then X goes in a third corner, thus sealing the game.[[Special:Contributions/76.29.225.28|76.29.225.28]] 04:59, 23 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
| − | :Can you tell which situation you mean? If X starts at 7 and O does not go to 5, then X | + | :Can you tell which situation you mean? If X starts at 7 and O does not go to 5, then X forces a win with the described tactic. There might be other ways to win, but I don't think that matters. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 09:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC) |
::Playing as X, you start in the upper left corner. O plays in any square other than the lower right corner (They ''might'' be able to block if they play the centre, depending on whether they anticipate this move). Then, when O blocks the centre, you play the upper right or lower left corner, depending on where O has played before, thus making it impossible to block because they only get one move. The only time this ''ever'' fails is when O knows what X is doing after the ''first'' move.[[Special:Contributions/76.29.225.28|76.29.225.28]] 19:57, 23 July 2013 (UTC) | ::Playing as X, you start in the upper left corner. O plays in any square other than the lower right corner (They ''might'' be able to block if they play the centre, depending on whether they anticipate this move). Then, when O blocks the centre, you play the upper right or lower left corner, depending on where O has played before, thus making it impossible to block because they only get one move. The only time this ''ever'' fails is when O knows what X is doing after the ''first'' move.[[Special:Contributions/76.29.225.28|76.29.225.28]] 19:57, 23 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
:::If it goes X7, O5, X3, then O must play anywhere but in a corner next (result is symmetric) X has to block and O can hold a draw. Just see the ''Map for O'' part. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 21:40, 23 July 2013 (UTC) | :::If it goes X7, O5, X3, then O must play anywhere but in a corner next (result is symmetric) X has to block and O can hold a draw. Just see the ''Map for O'' part. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 21:40, 23 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
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There is an error in the drawing when starting with (numpad coordinates) X7, O9, X1, O4, X3: Both O5 and O6 have the same picture. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 09:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC) | There is an error in the drawing when starting with (numpad coordinates) X7, O9, X1, O4, X3: Both O5 and O6 have the same picture. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 09:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
| − | :There is also an error in X7-O1-X9-O8-X3, in which O2 and O5 have the same picture. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.63|108.162.216.63]] 02:46, 7 January 2016 (UTC) (And yes, I am reviving a thread from three | + | :There is also an error in X7-O1-X9-O8-X3, in which O2 and O5 have the same picture. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.63|108.162.216.63]] 02:46, 7 January 2016 (UTC) (And yes, I am reviving a thread from three years ago. Happy 2016.) |
'''Tic-Tac-Toe''' is just a stupid simple game, Randall jokes about '''that'''. As the title text says "...waiting for your opponent to make a mistake". And the picture is just a part of this joke.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:04, 23 July 2013 (UTC) | '''Tic-Tac-Toe''' is just a stupid simple game, Randall jokes about '''that'''. As the title text says "...waiting for your opponent to make a mistake". And the picture is just a part of this joke.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:04, 23 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
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I just don't want to analyze both maps, but I had a college assignment that made me look into Tic Tac Toe strategy, and I think that the explanation should start with "Each map shows every possible combination of moves which will result in that side not losing.". [[Special:Contributions/108.162.212.206|108.162.212.206]] 23:40, 14 January 2014 (UTC) | I just don't want to analyze both maps, but I had a college assignment that made me look into Tic Tac Toe strategy, and I think that the explanation should start with "Each map shows every possible combination of moves which will result in that side not losing.". [[Special:Contributions/108.162.212.206|108.162.212.206]] 23:40, 14 January 2014 (UTC) | ||
| − | The quote from War Games is "The only way to win is not to play", and it refers to the game | + | The quote from War Games is "The only way to win is not to play", and it refers to the game Global Thermonuclear War, not Tic-Tac-Toe (although that was played earlier in the movie). I don't think the title text was based on this quote, but is only coincidentally similar. {{unsigned ip|108.162.249.215}} |
| − | : With all due respect, I think the probability that the title text does not reference the movie War Games is so low as to be effectively zero. BTW the whole premise of the resolution of the movie (spoiler alert) is that by playing Tic-Tac-Toe the AI learns the futility of unwinnable 'games'. It then applies this learning to the very real scenarios of | + | : With all due respect, I think the probability that the title text does not reference the movie War Games is so low as to be effectively zero. BTW the whole premise of the resolution of the movie (spoiler alert) is that by playing Tic-Tac-Toe the AI learns the futility of unwinnable 'games'. It then applies this learning to the very real scenarios of global thermonuclear war and, realising the futility, stops. [[User:Plm-qaz snr|Plm-qaz snr]] ([[User talk:Plm-qaz snr|talk]]) 08:20, 16 August 2014 (UTC) |
:: I think both of you are right in some way, so I fix the text that it do refer to the movie {{w|WarGames}} but to the AI's opinion on the nuclear warfare "game" after learn the concept of unwinnable through Tic-Tac-Toe. [[User:Arifsaha|Arifsaha]] ([[User talk:Arifsaha|talk]]) 15:58, 12 September 2014 (UTC) | :: I think both of you are right in some way, so I fix the text that it do refer to the movie {{w|WarGames}} but to the AI's opinion on the nuclear warfare "game" after learn the concept of unwinnable through Tic-Tac-Toe. [[User:Arifsaha|Arifsaha]] ([[User talk:Arifsaha|talk]]) 15:58, 12 September 2014 (UTC) | ||
Those diagrams don't depict '''every possible''' situation (e.g. "X2, O8" is missing) {{unsigned ip|162.158.90.222}} | Those diagrams don't depict '''every possible''' situation (e.g. "X2, O8" is missing) {{unsigned ip|162.158.90.222}} | ||
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== Could someone please explain how to read the comic? == | == Could someone please explain how to read the comic? == | ||
