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:Actually, a year ago they were all set to skip that fall one, it was a done deal, so we WOULD have been permanently on Summer Time (which is what I see as Standard Time, it always seems like the point of this is to maximize daylight in the winter when there's less of it). I only found out THAT NIGHT that the decision was overturned. I'm still hoping for this year, but I've heard nothing so I doubt it. :( [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:02, 29 October 2023 (UTC) | :Actually, a year ago they were all set to skip that fall one, it was a done deal, so we WOULD have been permanently on Summer Time (which is what I see as Standard Time, it always seems like the point of this is to maximize daylight in the winter when there's less of it). I only found out THAT NIGHT that the decision was overturned. I'm still hoping for this year, but I've heard nothing so I doubt it. :( [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:02, 29 October 2023 (UTC) | ||
:::I remember this argument from before. The daylight one saves is the 'summer morning daylight'. By reverting to non-DST you don't save anything, you just make the mornings less dark than they would abnormally be. (Indeed, this morning I was out and about before 7:30AM (GMT) and had a nice bright day that ''wasn't'' (unlike during recent BST-ruled mornings) darker than they ought to be just because most people want a >4:30PM 'daylight' rather more than a <7:30AM one). [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.179|172.71.178.179]] 18:30, 29 October 2023 (UTC) | :::I remember this argument from before. The daylight one saves is the 'summer morning daylight'. By reverting to non-DST you don't save anything, you just make the mornings less dark than they would abnormally be. (Indeed, this morning I was out and about before 7:30AM (GMT) and had a nice bright day that ''wasn't'' (unlike during recent BST-ruled mornings) darker than they ought to be just because most people want a >4:30PM 'daylight' rather more than a <7:30AM one). [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.179|172.71.178.179]] 18:30, 29 October 2023 (UTC) | ||
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:Well, that's just UTC (or UT1/close equivalents). Though {{w|Timekeeping on Mars#Coordinated Mars Time|I can think of a different system}} we could use... [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.143|172.69.79.143]] 20:35, 28 October 2023 (UTC) | :Well, that's just UTC (or UT1/close equivalents). Though {{w|Timekeeping on Mars#Coordinated Mars Time|I can think of a different system}} we could use... [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.143|172.69.79.143]] 20:35, 28 October 2023 (UTC) | ||
::No, not UTC... Paul means when it's noon here in the Eastern part of North America, it's noon in California, noon in the UK, noon in Europe, noon in Japan, noon in Australia, etc. And I must say, not a bad idea. WHY does "noon"/12PM have to be the time that the sun reaches its peak? Who cares? THIS way you say a time, everybody in the world knows what time it is, no timezone conversion, no accounting for DST, super clear. :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:16, 29 October 2023 (UTC) | ::No, not UTC... Paul means when it's noon here in the Eastern part of North America, it's noon in California, noon in the UK, noon in Europe, noon in Japan, noon in Australia, etc. And I must say, not a bad idea. WHY does "noon"/12PM have to be the time that the sun reaches its peak? Who cares? THIS way you say a time, everybody in the world knows what time it is, no timezone conversion, no accounting for DST, super clear. :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:16, 29 October 2023 (UTC) | ||
− | :::Paul doesn't explicitly suggest that worldwide-Noon should be the astronomical noon ''anywhere in particular'', let alone Eastern NA. Just 'somewhere'. Now, obviously it'd be most logical to choose somewhere significant... Maybe Washington time (because of Americocentricism) or Beijing (well, they've got the experience putting loads of people into one 'wide' timezone), or Delhi (now have pipped China over the issue of "most population covered", or Moscow (geographically most contiguously wide-spread, though even internally they'd alreadu have more anomolies than China has now), or... well, since London beat Paris in the battle to being the Prime Meridian for the world then ''obviously'' it'd be GMT or UTC/UT0/UT1/UT1R/UT2 (take your pick, according to what you value most about the 'standard'). Or maybe you'd prefer Kathmandu (UTC+05:45... because... why stick to whole-hour offsets?). | + | :::Paul doesn't explicitly suggest that worldwide-Noon should be the astronomical noon ''anywhere in particular'', let alone Eastern NA. Just 'somewhere'. Now, obviously it'd be most logical to choose somewhere significant... Maybe Washington time (because of Americocentricism) or Beijing (well, they've got the experience putting loads of people into one 'wide' timezone), or Delhi (now have pipped China over the issue of "most population covered", or Moscow (geographically most contiguously wide-spread, though even internally they'd alreadu have more anomolies than China has now), or... well, since London beat Paris in the battle to being the Prime Meridian for the world then ''obviously'' it'd be GMT or UTC/UT0/UT1/UT1R/UT2 (take your pick, according to what you value most about the 'standard'). Or maybe you'd prefer Kathmandu (UTC+05:45... because... why stick to whole-hour offsets?). |
− | + | One time worldwide is a pants idea. Not because some people would be going to bed at 9 a.m., that's quite OK. But because when you pass through midnight, the date changes, as does the day of the week. You're working away merrily during (your) mid-morning on Friday 1st of Umptober, when suddenly midnight arrives and from now on you are on Saturday 2nd. Oops, it's now weekend! [[User:MalcolmStory21|MalcolmStory21]] ([[User talk:MalcolmStory21|talk]]) | |
− | One time worldwide is a pants idea. Not because some people would be going to bed at 9 a.m., that's quite OK. But because when you pass through midnight, the date changes, as does the day of the week. You're working away merrily during (your) mid-morning on Friday 1st of Umptober, when suddenly midnight arrives and from now on you are on Saturday 2nd. Oops, it's now weekend! [[User:MalcolmStory21|MalcolmStory21]] ([[User talk:MalcolmStory21|talk]] | ||
:If that's a problem (doesn't sound like it necessarily need be), it's balanced by having the early morning off (the weekend) and then it becoming Monday 4th and business as usual again. | :If that's a problem (doesn't sound like it necessarily need be), it's balanced by having the early morning off (the weekend) and then it becoming Monday 4th and business as usual again. | ||
:But all it needs is for some soft of 'shiftworld' (like the scenario in {{w|Dayworld}}, but spread around/overlapping around the day, not around/separate across the week), where there's a 24/7 (or at least a 24/5) economy 'serviced' by whoever wishes to be awake during whatever hours suit them (by actual daylight) or find expedient on a supply-and-demand basis. Currently, businesses open roughly aligned to daylight hours (to varying degrees) and they ''still could'', just with workers not doing a "9-to-5" job but perhaps a "3-to-11" or "12-to-8" or whatever. If it's a remotely-workable service industry, then you will (as you can now) be serviced by someone working half a world away in inconvenient hours that are convenient for you (or convenient hours that cover times that would be otherwise inconvenient to those local to you). | :But all it needs is for some soft of 'shiftworld' (like the scenario in {{w|Dayworld}}, but spread around/overlapping around the day, not around/separate across the week), where there's a 24/7 (or at least a 24/5) economy 'serviced' by whoever wishes to be awake during whatever hours suit them (by actual daylight) or find expedient on a supply-and-demand basis. Currently, businesses open roughly aligned to daylight hours (to varying degrees) and they ''still could'', just with workers not doing a "9-to-5" job but perhaps a "3-to-11" or "12-to-8" or whatever. If it's a remotely-workable service industry, then you will (as you can now) be serviced by someone working half a world away in inconvenient hours that are convenient for you (or convenient hours that cover times that would be otherwise inconvenient to those local to you). | ||
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:By being 'tied' to a global time, it just allows (with the right basic employment incentives and protections, naturally; which are obviously lacking in many situations right now, so would also constitute an improvement) a degree of flexibility that blindly subscribing to your local time really doesn't. | :By being 'tied' to a global time, it just allows (with the right basic employment incentives and protections, naturally; which are obviously lacking in many situations right now, so would also constitute an improvement) a degree of flexibility that blindly subscribing to your local time really doesn't. | ||
:...well, we're surely already talking about a conceptual world in which such massive reorganisation is even possible. Going the extra few steps to make it ''work'' isn't that much more of a stretch, I'm thinking. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.25|162.158.74.25]] 22:49, 29 October 2023 (UTC) | :...well, we're surely already talking about a conceptual world in which such massive reorganisation is even possible. Going the extra few steps to make it ''work'' isn't that much more of a stretch, I'm thinking. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.25|162.158.74.25]] 22:49, 29 October 2023 (UTC) | ||
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