Editing Talk:1287: Puzzle

So is there an answer to the puzzle? [[User:Clwhisk|Clwhisk]] ([[User talk:Clwhisk|talk]]) 19:06, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Black thinks he's playing Go and white thinks he's playing chess. Although a 7 x 7 board is a bit small for go, it is not unusual for a beginner to play on such a board {{unsigned|hax}}

 It is a 9x9 go board! (usually used for learning,  as its smaller, less strategic, and quicker to finish game, whereas regular go is played on 19x19 intersections). Olivier. {{unsigned ip|108.162.229.17}}

::You beat me to it. "Less strategic" also means "more tactical". In my experience, 9x9 boards are rare (mostly, people would just use part of a 19x19 board), but when they do exist, they have 4 handicap intersections marked with dots. [[User:Homunq|Homunq]] ([[User talk:Homunq|talk]]) 08:28, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

::: 9x9 boards are great for variety and getting through games, and for beginners of all levels! Go on a 9x9 is about as hard as chess, in terms of playability, state space, and only recently seeing pro strength computers. [[User:Clwhisk|Clwhisk]] ([[User talk:Clwhisk|talk]]) 18:59, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

The picture on xkcd.com is changed. The bishop on e4 is removed and the one on c1 moved to d2. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.93.11|141.101.93.11]] 08:48, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Could this be another Time Lapse much like the Wait For It comic?--[[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.31|108.162.221.31]] 02:31, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:It only changed once, to fix a legal error with a move. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 02:41, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Would it be better to use algebraic notation instead, seeing as FIDE stopped recognizing descriptive notation in 1981? {{unsigned|Banak}}

::Possibly - I was trying to distinguish between Go moves and Chess moves by using the older Chess notation as a disambiguation, but... eh. I'm ambinotational - I read metric and imperial and barely notice the conversion. :) [[User:SleekWeasel|SleekWeasel]] ([[User talk:SleekWeasel|talk]]) 11:18, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Then you may have a career at NASA ahead of you... ;) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.214|141.101.98.214]] 14:26, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:::: Haha, NASA approached me once about designing a catsuit/pressuresuit, based on my stretchy.org website, thinking that I lived in Cambridge Mass, not Cambridge UK. [[User:SleekWeasel|SleekWeasel]] ([[User talk:SleekWeasel|talk]]) 23:35, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

It would be helpful to give a description - or at least a primer (or a link to one) - of the notation used for chess moves (i.e. Q, N, R ... x, +, #, ... which sides of the board are alphabetic vs. which are numeric). [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.228|108.162.221.228]] 16:55, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


Re: black not playing on a handicap positions: it may be that black considers the players evenly matched (or white to be only slightly better), so no handicap.  If there was a handicap, black would have 6 stones on the board (I've never heard of a 1 stone handicap).  In any case, the upper-right move is a traditional starting move (assuming black is facing the board from the top), as it gives good control over the corner (and in a 9x9, the center).[[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.52|108.162.219.52]] 14:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC) -TauCeti

Also, as a note, it looks like the two players are playing in response to each other.  Black is playing in contact with the white pieces as a tactical play to contest that section of the board, while white is carefully positioning their pieces to protect against a player who has somehow taken control over the center of the board (although white is treating the go stones as more valuable than pawns, or the knights wouldn't be there).[[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.52|108.162.219.52]] 14:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC) -TauCeti

::How did that bishop get out? [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.195|141.101.98.195]] 17:04, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Do you mean the light-squared bishop or the, uh, other light-squared bishop? --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.218.59|108.162.218.59]] 15:42, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:::: I mean the light one that's not in its starting location, but out mingling with the pawns [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.195|141.101.98.195]] 16:57, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

I have to say, Black's position is extremely unusual for Go.  The two uppermost stones are on 4-4 and 3-4 (counted from the edge of the board as 1).  A 4-4 opening invites a corner invasion, which could be a disaster in a 9x9 game, especially if your opponent has another corner.  A one stone handicap is pretty common, as this would just mean playing without komi (the few points white gets to counter black's advantage for going first).  Playing on the handicap points (3-3 in 9x9, and 4-4 in 19x19) are usually considered just decent starting points, apart form their use in handicapped games.  Of course, there are many different openings, especially in even games, so there's plenty of different moves to play.  But 4-4 in 9x9 still seems exceedingly unusual.
[[Special:Contributions/199.27.128.182|199.27.128.182]] 16:28, 8 November 2013 (UTC)greyaenigma
::I figured that the 3-4 move was black's first, and the remaining moves were in response to white (where the 4-4 was to shore up the left side of the board).  That said, I generally play on 19x19 and play rather poorly, so I'd trust your judgement over mine. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.15|108.162.219.15]] 18:48, 8 November 2013 (UTC) -TauCeti

It's interesting to note that in Japan, Go vs Shogi (a Japanese variant of chess) is not uncommon, however the game is played on a Shogi board, and the go stones are placed in the squares, rather than on the intersections. {{unsigned ip|199.27.130.174}}

That feel when you can tell the author uses the same online chess website that you do because of how the chess pieces are drawn. {{unsigned ip|173.245.56.175}}

As I could not give good current statistics and couldn't find those of november 2013, I removed the statistics. If anyone can do so, please readd them, and mention the validity date of them.--[[User:Lupo|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo|talk]]) 12:23, 8 March 2019 (UTC)