Editing User talk:Lcarsos

==Moved discussion==
Hi, just to let you know that I move the thread you started to [[explain xkcd:Community portal/Admin requests]]. Cheers, --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 10:33, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

== Ruby Importer ==
''For discussion of the Ruby Import assistant. Please create subsections for each item.''

===Multi-file Generation===
I assume that <tt>./importer.rb 100{0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}</tt> would also work? [[User:Blaisepascal|Blaisepascal]] ([[User talk:Blaisepascal|talk]]) 02:08, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
: I hadn't even thought of that. I'll try it and report back as soon as I get home after work. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]] ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 16:18, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
:: It'll work; it's not a Ruby thing, it's a Borne Shell thing.  When the Borne Shell does wild-card expansion, it generates all alternatives enclosed in braces.  So "echo 1{2,3,4,5}" is equivalent to "echo 12 13 14 15".  I've been known to do things like <tt>echo 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}{0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9} 100</tt> to list all numbers between 1 and 100. [[User:Blaisepascal|Blaisepascal]] ([[User talk:Blaisepascal|talk]]) 16:34, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
::: I just ssh'd into a linux box, and yes that will work. But I still prefer using <tt>seq 1 100</tt>, much easier to type. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]] ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 17:17, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

==Removing Erroneous Categories==
It seems to me that if you are removing the same "erroneous" category from three comics that all refer to the same thing (like Wikipedia) that perhaps a bit more explanation needs to be made as to why the category is erroneous. [[User:Blaisepascal|Blaisepascal]] ([[User talk:Blaisepascal|talk]]) 21:32, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

:I was going through categories, and it looked like someone had started to tag any page that had a link to Wikpedia. I was putting a stop to it.

:But now that you've elevated this to conscious level, it might be that 2 of the pages were tagged Wikipedia because the theme of the comic was Wikipedia. The first one that caught my eye, [[548: Kindle]], merely had the word Wikipedia, that one to me seems that it was incorrectly categorized. The other two, now that I think about it, would make sense if we're categorizing comics by theme. I'll go back, make restitution, and fix [[739: Malamanteau]] and [[214: The Problem with Wikipedia]], and undo changes to the Wikipedia category. Thanks for keeping me honest.

:[[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]] ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 21:49, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

== LCARS ==

Saw this and thought of you: http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/12/star-trek-padd-app-is-a-lcars-sporting-trekkies-reference-bible/

:Okay, first, I'd like to thank you for showing this to me. I'm always interested to see anything Star Trek related. Always. There should never be a Trek-less day, for anyone, ever. But, now, you've opened a can of worms so now I get to do a little bit of ranting.

:With a few exceptions, anything "official" that Paramount/CBS Paramount/CBS commissions to be made based on Star Trek is crap. This is one of those things. The interface, while reminiscent of, and is close enough to scare away the children, is a tragedy that shouldn't have the privilege of being able to call itself "official" or "LCARS". The color scheme is vomitous, every color that could have been put into the interface is there, as opposed to the restrained every-color-represents-a-function style that is shown in the show. About the one thing they got correct is the use of the LCARS font. Other than that, the font is too large in every instance. The font should be bottom-right aligned, and there should be a generous amount of padding except for the bottom-right corner. And, except for actual paragraph text, everything should be all-caps.

:They also got the elbos (the bits that change from vertical UI to horizontal and vice versa) wrong. The curves aren't skewed like that. A quick look at the fan-made [http://www.lcarsdeveloper.com LCARS Standards website] would have showed them the correct way to build an elbo. Or, ''*GASP*'' they could ask Michael Okuda to consult on the project.

:Final UI complaint: What is that panel on the bottom doing? You mean that the people that made this app completely missed the idea of the LCARS UI and just have a panel at the bottom with skinned buttons that take you to the main sections of the app? Also, don't mix the butt-ended buttons with the fully rounded buttons. Just don't. Someone should have slapped you in art school for doing that.

:From reviews of the app in iTunes, it looks like the app isn't even fully baked. The database isn't full, just has entries for the popular characters and ships. This should be a front end for Memory-Alpha, but you'd have to do some work to strip out all the wikia bs.

:Finally, still iOS only? It's apparently been out for a year, and been updated once, in October, 2011. Was this a one-off, did CBS hire Random Company LLC to "Make a thing for the hip kids, with the iPads and the what-not" pay them to get the app out the door, kept them for a month to fix bugs and then fired them? Have we heard of Android? Is this the 90s when developers had to pick between developing for Windows 95 or Mac OS 8?

:Why is this catastrophe $5? There's obviously no development work going on, CBS makes bank off of the DVDs and other crap merchandise they sell (why are there no officially licensed replica isolinear chips?). This is pure, simple corporate greed.

:Sorry for the rant, I get angry when my favorite things are mistreated. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]] ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 17:05, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

== Double redirect ==

You're right. I knew there had been a reason I didn't do that for the first pile of comics I created. That's for reminding me. [[User:TheHYPO|TheHYPO]] ([[User talk:TheHYPO|talk]]) 21:37, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

:Yep. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]] ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 21:38, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

== To the human behind the curtain ==
Moved conversation to the correct [[User talk:XERXES.ai|talk page]]

== Congrats on becoming Admin ==
Looks like my days of 700+ changes per month are a thing of the past! (What ''will'' I ever do with all the free time now?  Edit, perhaps? ;-) -- [[User:IronyChef|IronyChef]] ([[User talk:IronyChef|talk]]) 06:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

:Grazie. I noticed Jeff do a little bit of work, and then go silent. So, I hoped that I could catch him with a tab still open pointing out our plight. It looks like it worked! Also, I'd be lying if I said it wasn't in part because you started that daily counter of edits on your user page. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]])  06:40, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

:: Minor thing; do it too if you want to.  When deleting spam pages, I "[omitted]" any link that appeared in the deletion comment, just so it doesn't even show up in the logs. -- [[User:IronyChef|IronyChef]] ([[User talk:IronyChef|talk]]) 06:50, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

:::I keep forgetting. Sorry about that. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]])  13:16, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

:Looks like [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=&page=User%3ALcarsos&year=&month=-1&hide_patrol_log=1 you registered your account] just two days before I [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Waldir&namespace=&year=2012&month=10 I went on a hiatus] for a while, so I'm afraid we never got a chance to interact much. Although away from editing, I've been following the wiki activity through RSS, so I'm aware of the huge amount of work you've put in, which I appreciate. And of course, I take the opportunity to congratulate you on earning your admin "badge". Cheers! --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 17:05, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

::Thanks! I seem to have started contributing at the moment when everyone else went on hiatus. It got very quiet for a while, but it seems like it's coming back alive. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]])  18:28, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

== Category:Comic images ==

Hi Lcarsos. I noticed you categorized two images in [[:Category:Comic images]]. I am actually using the ones that aren't categorized yet as a todo list of those which haven't been moved to the original filenames (lowercase). If you categorize more images, please make sure to also move them to the lowercase filename, and fix the redirect from the filename with only the first character uppercased. That is: there are typically 3 file pages for every comic: file_name.png, File_Name.png and File_name.png, with the first and third redirecting to the middle one, and the end result shoudl be the second and third redirecting to the first. I hope this isn't confusing :) --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 18:30, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

:Sorry about that. I saw that BPothier uncategorized those two, but when I looked at them I saw they were redirection pages, and when I checked a few other images I saw the category was on the images. I thought I would be helpful and put the category on the File page instead of undoing the change on the redirect page. Sorry to be a nuisance. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]])  18:36, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

:: Not at all :) You acted in a perfectly reasonable way. In fact I missed the fact that you were actually moving a category from a redirect to the real image, which makes perfect sense. I am the one using the uncategorized files list as a personal todo list, in clear unorthodox fashion :P --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 04:29, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

== Captchas ==

I believe there's an option to force all users of a certain group to take the captcha when editing. Could you change the captcha settings to force all anonymous users to pass one to edit? This is getting stupid. [[User:Davidy22|<span title="I want you."><u><font color="purple" size="2px">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><sup><font color="indigo" size="1px">22</font></sup></span>]][[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>(talk)</tt>]] 07:14, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

:First off, this is a request for Waldir. I have no idea what I'm doing. Second, I've looked at the captcha pages in MediaWiki's manual, and it looks like I don't have the rights to do that, it would have to be someone who can edit the php files to change that over (*ahem* Jeff). Third, I've clicked on every link in [[Special:SpecialPages]] and I don't see anywhere that I can change that. I wish I could. Fourth, I am sick and tired of all this spam!!!!! [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]])  08:12, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

== Deletion ==

I'm sure you only overlooked this because of being busy fighting huge amounts of spam, but there was actually some valid history behind [[explain xkcd:Community portal/Design]], which I just restored (I left the spam edits under the carpet, though). It's not a huge deal, and as you can see, it's easily reversible, but it's generally nice to preserve page histories for archival reasons. Also, please comment on [[explain xkcd:Community portal/Technical#We need more maintainers]] when you have the chance. Cheers, [[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 17:50, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

:Oops, again. I don't know if it was a case of unfortunate blindness, or I was too far into spam fighting that I simply deleted it. Sorry about that. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]])  20:35, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

== Patrolling ==

Hi, Lcarsos. I think this might be useful for you since you're doing so much work on spam fighting: [[mw:Help:Patrolled edits]]. I asked Jeff to change the wiki configuration so that edits by "auto-confirmed" users will be automatically patrolled. This means the feature should be more useful from now on. Let me know if it helps. Cheers, [[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 21:28, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

:Edits from logged in people are still showing as un-patrolled. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. There are several editors that have created accounts that I'm not quite ready to blanket state that every edit they make are perfectly good. I think that if we had more people that were patrolling pages and edits the feature would be more useful. But, since it's just me going through and occasionally remembering to mark a page as patrolled, it's not very useful as I can generally remember where I've perused through. I think if we got Davidy22 rights to patrol edits too, I think that would push it over the mark into useful territory. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]])  21:43, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

::Jeff {{diff|20769&oldid{{=}}20467|just enabled}} the tweaks to the autopatrolling feature as I asked him to. I know we can't immediately trust every edit a recent user does, but I find that well-intentioned mistakes (which we all make btw) are much easier to fix, and overall less harmful than spam/vandalism. Right now the threshold for autopatrolling is at 3 days of age and 10 edits (both conditions have to be met). We can tweak that if we decide different values would work better, but I am assuming that spammers and otherwise malicious editors would be caught and blocked before that. I intend to use the following links to help weed out the bad stuff from the wiki:
::* [{{fullurl:Special:RecentChanges|hideanons=1&hidepatrolled=1}} Unpatrolled changes by registered users]
::* [{{fullurl:Special:RecentChanges|hideliu=1&hidepatrolled=1}} Unpatrolled changes by anonymous users]
::Of course, only edits from now on will apply the new parameters, so older edits by (non-admin) trusted editors still show as unpatrolled. But from now on it will probably make sifting the recent changes a little easier, since we can now filter out edits that we don't have to worry much about, leaving only new users and anonymous ones, the groups spammers/vandals are most likely to belong to.
::Also, I agree that Davidy22 could have patrolling rights by now. I am liberal about adminship, so I'd suggest we ask Jeff to "promote" him, as that would do it.
::Cheers, [[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 03:33, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

== Blocking IPs ==

I don't think anonymous vandals should be blocked indefinitely. IPs are generally not static so we might end up preventing someone from doing a legitimate contribution, while the spammer will likely not use that particular IP for very long. I suggest changing all [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?wpTarget=&wpOptions=userblocks&limit=50&title=Special%3ABlockList IP blocks] to have a finite expiration date, say a week, or a month. What do you think? --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 15:55, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

:I don't think that would be a good idea. Our second great spam bout was caused by the 1 month block that SlashMe placed on the IPs of a foregone spam attack expired, and suddenly all those computers had access to edit the wiki again. In theory IPs are not static, but the home I live in right now has had the same IP address since I moved in, and that's even with hard resetting the modem about weekly as Comcast fails to bond their channels together, and I suspect most ISPs work that way.

:Maybe we could try an experiment where we let all the blocks expire and see what happens. ''But'', I ''do not'' want that to be anywhere near any holiday, or major event, or major xkcd comic post (see Click and Drag or Congress) as it would be nearly impossible to hand pick out the good from the spam.

:I do understand that theoretically, if this goes on eventually we'll have blocked the whole internet from editing the wiki. We need a better way to lock this down. A lot of the wikis I've looked at disallow editing from anonymous users (See the [https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Main_Page Valve Developer] wiki and the [http://kspwiki.nexisonline.net/wiki/Main_Page Kerbal Space Program] wiki, this would cut down on about half the spam, and then we need a better way to stop the bots from registering accounts, somehow both the VDC and KSP wiki don't have any spam activity (creation or clean-up) for the past few days, we're obviously doing something wrong, but I have no idea what. We may be more popular than the KSP wiki, but certainly we aren't more popular than Valve's own wiki. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]])  17:14, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

:: I see. Personally, I consider disabling anonymous editing as somehow admitting defeat (assuming bad faith by default) but maybe [[mw:Extension:SpamBlacklist]] could help. It uses a very extensive list maintained at meta.wikimedia.org. Do you think it could prevent spam rampages such as the last one? Otherwise, we could try some of the approaches listed at [[mw:Manual:Combating spam]] and [[mw:Anti-spam features]]. I am inclined towards more automatic methods, as most of those would require Jeff to edit the server, so a one-time config thing (using lists updates elsewhere) would be best. Thoughts? --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 03:58, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

== [[Stick figure]] linking to [[Cueball]] ==

Hey there. Do you mind explaining why you reverted my comment on the Stick figure page? (that sounds like "argh how dare you do that" - not my intention, just looking to understand, since there was no explanation given in the changelog.) My thought was that "Stick figure" is a page discussing the art style that Randall uses for his characters. In such a page, it seemed appropriate to mention the one character that is the most representative of the "classic stick figure" (Cueball). I thought I added that sentence in a way that fit naturally with the rest of the text. Please let me know what the issues are so I can work on them. Thanks. [[User:Jerodast|- jerodast]] ([[User talk:Jerodast|talk]]) 15:26, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

:The addition of Cueball was not necessarily helpful in describing what a stick figure is (and I'd like to start a debate on whether or not we should be in the business of doing Wikipedia's job, or simply restrict ourselves to explaining xkcd and providing links where appropriate). Likewise, including Cueball in the explanation of what a generic stick figure is, makes it sound like Cueball is simply a name we use for any character that has no defining features. Which is not true. Cueball has a specific set of generic traits (it's a complex way of thinking about it) which combine to form a geeky every-man who is quite annoyed by the rampant use of "[[1108|literally]]", is banned from quite a few security conferences (and at least one [[1090|grammar]] con), and is fond of [[651|showing security agents the flaws in airport security]].

:So that's why I did it. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]])  16:54, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

== Categories ==

Hey, Merry Christmas!

If I, or someone else creates an arguably useful category that you don't really like, would you please say so on the talk page, so that we can discuss it, as a community. I agree that two entries doesn't make a category, but there are several more than two comics about Internet arguments. The topic itself is very specific, but it is also recurring indeed, just like [[:Category:Velociraptors|raptors]]. As for Flowcharts, I'm sure I know 5-6 comics containing them, just top of my head. That surely should be enuff? (At least get rid of the [[:Category:Axiom of Choice|Axiom of Choice]], if you are to be ... [[:Category:Puts on sunglasses|::puts on sunglasses::]] ... consistent.) ;) Swedish greetings from [[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 14:24, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

:By that logic, I am now justified in reorganizing the entirety of [[:Category:Dynamic comics]]. I hold up that as an example of exactly why I stopped opening this up for a discussion and started ruthlessly cutting down our category count. In general I go by a simple rule of "Huh, I wonder if there are other comics on this topic?" which is why, many moons ago, I created the [[:Category:Axiom of Choice]] (created when we didn't have so many categories, and no one batted an eye at having a category with only two comics in it). This is why I think [[:Category:Internet]] is a very good category, and that Internet Arguments was not. Now, maybe I would have felt a little more lenient if it was <nowiki>[[Category:Trolling]]</nowiki> but that's because it's not so specific as to only be a handful of comics (and now that I say that out loud, I think there's quite a few that would fall under trolling).

:This is because, as the wiki has come into its own, the mainstay editors have decided (and I'm the only one to vocalize it) that the categories a page has is not a traditional blog tag cloud where you simply vomit out everything that the comic contains. We use the categories as a way to "find similar" comics.

:It really rankles me to have deeply nested categories, like [[:Category:Set theory]], but I'm willing to leave it there because I can see people coming by the site, reading a comic in Set Theory and wanting to read all the other ones on the same topic. Though I would greatly prefer it if it wasn't deeply nested, if it was simply parented to [[:Category:Comics by topic]] and then had a See Also section.

:As for Axiom of Choice, I still believe that it's an odd enough thing to have in a comic, anyone browsing through might want to see other comics that make reference to it, but I'm open to deleting it.

:--[[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]])  00:59, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

::Thanks for your answer. I think i mostly agree with you. Especially on that it should not be a tag cloud "to vomit out everything that the comic contains", but to find related ones. So at least no comic should be alone in a category.

::I've been thinking that, while Internet might be a reasonable category, it is not in any way remarkable that the topic "Internet" recurs (of course it does). From that viewpoint it is much more interesting when e.g. the Axiom of Choice returns. The comics becomes much more tightly related, and that piece of information should doubtlessly be given in the wiki! I can think of two ways: by making a category, or by linking to the other comic(s) from the explanation page.

::Since one can argue that set theory is a subdicipline of logic, a subdicipline of math, or neither, i just, without thinking too much, linked to (added) the category from all those levels. Maybe "See also" would be better. Why not?

::Lastly, I must confess that i didn't get the "dynamic comics" part. If you were making a good point, please spell it out.

::-- [[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 11:25, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

:::Ages ago (I believe it was when we were first working on getting the explanation for [[Umwelt]] fleshed out) there was talk about what do we want to categorize it as. Someone, brilliantly, added an "Out of the ordinary" category, and did the same to [[961: Eternal Flame]], justifying that amid 1000+ comics these ones were truly odd, and broke the format (an animated gif and a comic that was different for nearly anyone depending on where they were, what browser they were using, etc.) that xkcd generally followed (geeky discussions, charts, and the occasional [[:Category:Large drawings|large drawing]]. Some other editors, that didn't quite understand, went into the back catalog and started adding other comics as being "out of the ordinary" such as [[Money]]. This ignited another conversation about what makes something ordinary, what makes it extraordinary, out-of-the-ordinary, the difference between the three, and why we have to have the majority be ordinary so we can have an out-of-the ordinary.

:::Then Randall published [[Click and Drag]]. Amidst the insanity of everyone frothing at the mouth to completely, totally, and summarily flog that horse until it was dead three times over, it was put into the category "out of the ordinary" and then someone created an "interactive" category, and someone else put Umwelt into it. Then there was an edit war, and a conversation (about why we need to clamp down on new categories, what constitutes out of the ordinary, why Umwelt isn't interactive, and moaning that people should stop the edit war until a decision had been made) was started. It was cut short when [[Traffic Lights]] was posted and one of the editors went rogue and cleaned up "interactive comics", and moved "out of the ordinary" to dynamic comics. It's slowly morphed from there to how we currently have it set up today.

:::Anyway, months ago I tried to start a discussion that none of the categories/comics should be part of a "Dynamic comics" parent category because none of them are "dynamic" they are very static. Since then I've been promoted to administrator, but I haven't touched it because, even though I may be a [http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/BOFH.html BOFH] at times, this is still a wiki, and I can't right every wrong simply by wielding the sword of righteous indignation.

:::And that's all for storytime today. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]])  16:29, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

::::I think this is gonna be good! First, i don't know if i have anything to add about the dynamic stuff. But if no one seems to disagree, why not give it a shot? I wouldn't mind if you changed the nestings in math/set theory either. :) To get back to the "by topic", if i may:

::::If two comics connect by some interesting topic or reference, I'd think it's neatest to just link them together with a note at the end of the explanation, like someone did to [[994: Advent Calendar]] also about Zeno, from the last comic. (I added a similar note in 994). Zeno might or might not come back, but anyway it's nice that you can click a wikilink and read another Zeno-joke. If it's a third comic about Zeno, we ''could'' do the same thing, (slightly more complicated, since we'd want all three to link to the other two), or consider a category. If it's suddenly four Zenos, well... What do you say? :) -- [[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 17:51, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:::::Sorry, I lost this tab, but I just found it again. Exactly. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]])  01:27, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::Great! Hope you had a good day at church! :) -- [[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 19:55, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

== Sections in talk pages ==

Since we/you don't want sections in talk pages, how should we suitably structure the discussions? Where do you think I should answer on the probability thing (latest comic)? On the bottom, or in the middle of the page? {{unsigned|St.nerol}}

:As I've said many times, simply commenting in a threaded chronological order is all that needs to happen. Chronological dictates that all new comments go at the bottom. Threaded dictates that if you are responding to a comment you indent one from the comment you are responding to. Together this means that a discussion starts at the far left, and the responses continue downward and rightward.

:This is only for explanation talk pages, as it breaks the way that sections work through the transclusion of the talk page onto the explanation. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]])  23:32, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::Thank you very much for clearing that up for me, supporting me in the discussion and, hrm, signing my question! –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 00:16, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

:::Yep. I'm here to keep discussion civil. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]])  00:51, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

==Two images to delete==
A couple of users ran into a conflict with a KDE desktop file on the server when trying to upload today's comic. Here's two broked images to delete [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:tar_xkcd.png][http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:tar-1168.png] '''[[User:Davidy22|<span title="I want you."><u><font color="purple" size="2px">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><sup><font color="indigo" size="1px">22</font></sup></span>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 07:11, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
:Oh, and another one from a while ago when a user ran into a map stored on the server. People mess up so much when they're trying to make new explanation pages. [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:amazon_1165.png] '''[[User:Davidy22|<span title="I want you."><u><font color="purple" size="2px">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><sup><font color="indigo" size="1px">22</font></sup></span>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 06:29, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

::{{done}} [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 23:00, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

:::And a botched redirect made by a newbie: [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=1120:_Bridge] '''[[User:Davidy22|<span title="I want you."><u><font color="purple" size="2px">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><sup><font color="indigo" size="1px">22</font></sup></span>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 13:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

:::{{done}} [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 19:03, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

== "Unacceptable username" ==

Hi,

Just wondering, what does the "Unacceptable username" user-blocking reason refer to? (apart from the fact that these users closely resemble users ready to spam...)

Just being curious. - [[User:Cos|Cos]] ([[User talk:Cos|talk]]) 14:09, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

: Maybe it's just that you don't know what else to put when blocking a highly suspicious account? In which case you could add a reason in [[MediaWiki:Ipbreason-dropdown]], something like "User account suspicious compared to spamming schemes" (or a better phrasing than this one, which I'm not too sure of...).
: Thing is, I don't see what's wrong in choosing for instance "Zbenjamin89" as a username. - [[User:Cos|Cos]] ([[User talk:Cos|talk]]) 14:41, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

::You're right. I'm using "Unacceptable username" with the implicit subtitle "spammer-like username". I've been putting it on some of the block messages. I'm only blocking usernames that were created in blocks, that are suspiciously similar to known spamming accounts, and have no contributions despite the account being created hours before. If any one of them comes back and posts on their talk page, or gets in contact, to prove they are human I unblock them. So far, none of them have.

::I got tired of having to clean up spam, and it seems that blocking these accounts that are created, left to sit for a day or a week, and then activated to spew absurd amounts of spam, has helped in some small measure. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 23:52, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
::
::: So, what about adding a dedicated reason to [[MediaWiki:Ipbreason-dropdown]]? (with the right permissions, I'd have done it myself)
::: As I said, I'm ''not'' blaming you for being the "BOFH" here (love that one ^^), I think that these blocks are useful indeed. I just feel the same thing could be done more intelligibly: someone stumbling upon one of those blocked accounts, or on a log, wouldn't understand and could deduce wrong things out of this. For instance, if you blocked a legitimate account among spammers (seems quite plausible, and in a way, unavoidable), it would not help the user to understand what the problem is, and chances are he would not try to fight to get his "unacceptable" username accepted by an environment he doesn't really know about...
::: So, I believe adding a block reason is very quick and would be better. Maybe my previous phrasing isn't very good, then what about this simpler one: "User account suspicious, very similar to spamming accounts"?
::: [[User:Cos|Cos]] ([[User talk:Cos|talk]]) 14:10, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

== Hi, ==

I understand you had exams. Hope they went well for you! May I ask what you're studying? (Myself I have one week to the exam in {{w|multivariable calculus}}!) ––[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 00:00, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

:Hi, the week before last I had a Physics exam (circuits, capacitance, AC circuits, Kirchoff's law, fun stuff), and last week I had midterms in both Discrete Mathematics (the most wordy math class I've ever taken, but it's about the only formal logic I've ever had, so I love it) and Operating Systems. I also had large projects due in both O.S. and a class called Elements of Computing Systems (The premise of the class is to build up a computer starting at {{w|nand gates}} and through multiple levels of abstraction eventually end up with a high level java-like language that compiles down to the machine language of the processor we "built"). It's all fun, but immensely draining. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 09:45, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

== About your discussion on [[explain xkcd:Community portal/Coordination]] ==

Those two IPs you were complaining about - that was me (I was using two computers so two IPs). At that time I was a bit of a noob and did all of those things because I thought that I wasn't doing anything wrong.

Things have changed. I haven't made many new categories (just [[:Category:Bobcats]] and [[:Category:Crossbows]]) and I started using <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> on comics that I either can't explain or am not confident enough to do so.

I do not like the way that I was treated as an anon, because, in my opinion, the community {{w|Wikipedia:Don't bite the newcomers|bit a newcomer}}. Nobody posted on either [[User talk:72.252.145.183]] or [[User talk:207.204.86.3]] so I only discovered that my actions were not received very well when I saw an angry edit summary. That was not at all pleasant or friendly. --[[User:Btx40|Btx40]] ([[User talk:Btx40|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

:Thank you for bringing your butthurt to me several months after the matter lay so dormant as to be forgotten by most parties (yours being the most notable, and to my knowledge only, exclusion). I assume you mean [[explain xkcd:Community portal/Coordination#Can we turn off page creation for non-logged in users]], I have posted many times to Coordination, but that one appears to be the only one you have concerned yourself with (again, Necro Bumping an 8 month old discussion). I'm sorry that you don't like the way you were treated when you chose to be anonymous to the regular editors of this wiki, and intentionally difficult to contact. And yes, being anonymous is more difficult to contact because at least 95% of all the anonymous editors we have know nothing about editing a wiki. Normally that wouldn't be bad, except when they continue to make poor quality edits ignoring any editor that "fixes" (my term) a page that they have edited and ignoring the format of any other page on the wiki. I have not yet had any anonymous editor respond to any post made on their IP talk page, which makes it pointless to try. It is the responsibility of any editor who knows anything to take responsibility for their edits by using their account. Anonymous editors have almost 0 accountability. Final point, edit summaries are not biting the newbie. They are grumblings in public. You will notice that my primary goal in that post was to try to shut off the flood of daily spam we were getting and slogging through.

:Now that I've got my butthurt out of the way. You are correct. That post on the Coordination page was rude and out of line. I realize that now. But I hold onto my defense of hindsight always being 20/20. Back in September the site was almost complete anarchy, and the few of us that were regular editors wanted/needed the site to operate the same from moment to moment so we wouldn't lose our sanity. I apologize for being a little bit vicious toward you. But a lot of confusion could have been avoided if you had made an account and had made your edits using the account. I'm glad to have you with us, and I hope you keep on editing.

:Sorry for the lateness of my reply. I take a long time to compose serious responses to matters that require serious responses. (Also, I hope you don't mind, I edited your post so that the categories would show up in the text, rather than being added as categories of this page).

:--[[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 20:43, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

== Major changes on complete explains need a comment at less ==

Thanks for your UNDO at [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=1251:_Anti-Glass&diff=next&oldid=56854], major changes on complete explains need a comment. And smaller changes are simply better to understand by the reader. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:25, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

:I'm slightly confused, are you thanking me, or asking for an expanded explanation of my actions? [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 22:36, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::I'm thanking you, when a user does change a complete explain he has to show a reason; if not a revert is a proper action. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 23:16, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

== Concerning the bot ==

It's having a bad few days. It's been sick for a while, and it's having trouble getting to our servers. I sent it a get well soon card, but the error logs lead me to believe it's an ISP issue. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 07:17, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

:How sad! I hope it isn't terminal. I'll have to send a care package with chicken soup and bits. I'll also have to go apologize to the (kind of) helpful user. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 16:40, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

== New admin proposal ==

Please take a look [[explain xkcd:Community portal/Admin requests#New admin|here]]. Cheers, [[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 18:36, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

== [[ 1358: NRO]] trivia ==

Hi Lcarsos, is there a way where we can figure out that Hubble issue without an edit war? I did move that content to trivia and also did some enhancements on that content. I think Randall's work should be always mentioned at trivia if it does match the theme. Any thoughts? --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:17, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

:If anything this comic is more about {{w|Enemy of the State (film)|Enemy of the State}} than it would ever be about Hubble. Secondly, NASA and the NRO are VERY different departments of the US Government. One is forwarding the purpose of science, human advancement, and space exploration; the other is forwarding the goal of turning the US into a totalitarian police state (a small amount of hyperbole is used for effect) and the subjugation of the American people. Deciding which is which is an exercise left to the reader (lol). Thirdly, in the What If that's been linked shows that Hubble could never be used for this purpose, the focal range is too far out. Fourth, the What If and this comic are separated by more than a year's time, without any kind of proof that Randall had revisited the idea of Hubble taking pictures of earth there is 0 probability that these two pieces are connected by more than the fact that the same man made them. Fifth, we don't link to every other thing Randall has done on every page of this wiki, it would be ridiculous; and yet there are things that have a closer connection than these two. Sixth, several years ago Google, to improve Google Maps, started buying the rights to satellite photos with a resolution high enough to resolve objects less than 1 meter long. That was consumer grade technology several years ago. A government agency using the latest technology would have even better resolution, because designing a satellite that looks down instead of up means that you can build it to do its job.

:Finally, not every page needs a Trivia section, and using a tenuous connection between two things, that could easily be served as a comment on the discussion page would be infinitely more desirable.

:[[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 20:35, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

== Trivia sections in general ==

Please do not miss my statement before this paragraph. 

At my understanding a TRIVIA section is a section doesn't belong to an explain but mentions comparable issues. Maybe I'm just a dumb German {{w|Besserwisser}}, but I'm not just a ''wise guy''.

The common layout here is that the trivia section is below the transcript, ask David on this.

So, in conclusion: Anything doesn't explain the comic itself has to go to a separate section. And I would prefer a position before the transcript, but David doesn't agree.

I'm looking only for the best explain for a s simple reader here.
--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:41, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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 :[[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 20:35, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
-::Ohh, you did write this while I was creating a more general section below here. I don't like edit wars, so I'm talking to you.
-::*I fully agree on your "totalitarian police state" statement and much more.
-::*But comparing the best civil space telescope to a task even NRO is not capable of should be mentioned here. Of course this could be still enhanced.
-::*Randall jokes about the accuracy of spy satellites. This is still unknown and has to be compared to current high tech machines like the HST is.
-::--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:01, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 == Trivia sections in general ==
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 The common layout here is that the trivia section is below the transcript, ask David on this.
-t
 So, in conclusion: Anything doesn't explain the comic itself has to go to a separate section. And I would prefer a position before the transcript, but David doesn't agree.
 I'm looking only for the best explain for a s simple reader here.
 --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:41, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
-:Yes, trivia goes after the transcript because its content should be less important to understanding the comic than the transcript. This way blind people using screen readers will hear the transcript before tangentially related information.
-:What belongs in a trivia section are small (or meta) facts about the comic, or the time that the comic was written in. Things like, "Did you know that all the cancer comics came about because Randall's wife was diagnosed with cancer, so it consumed his life for a period of two years?". I would categorize most of these "trivia" things as general interest that are related to the comic but don't have much to do with the comic, or xkcd, or Randall. For example: on [[Su Doku]] I just took out a bit of trivia saying that hexadecimal sudoku games exist. While this fact is of general interest to geeky people, it did not explain the comic or the title text, it was not trivia about the comic. Had it been posted by the original author on the discussion page I think people would have commented with their favorite one, or asking for a link to a good one. That's the perfect place for it, somewhere that sparks a conversation on the topic that the comic covers, but not about the comic. The same is true about your post on the [[Chess Enlightenment]] explanation. While it did relate to chess, it didn't relate to the comic. Putting it on the discussion page would be a good place for that kind of content.
-:Adding sections makes an explanation look more complicated, and that's not what we want to do here. I'm not saying don't add sections, but seriously think about what kind of content you're adding, and see if there's all ready a place for it to go on the page.
-:[[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 21:56, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
-::I agree on that what belongs to the trivia section, but I don't agree on your statement on what belongs not.
-::Wikipedia says, that {{w|Stefan Zweig}} "...was one of the most popular writers in the world." Maybe not in the US. He flew from the German Nazis and committed suicide in 1942 at exile in Brazil; I didn't mention this at my post.
-::The novella {{w|The Royal Game}} was instantly in my mind when I did read the title text, but younger people probably don't know.
-::If that trivia adds are not welcome here any more I wish you a good luck on removing of hundreds trivia sections.
-::And sorry, I think we have more serious issues here.
-::--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:35, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
-:::The novella is not trivia about the comic, certainly it has an association in your brain, which is why it is fully, completely, and totally acceptable in the discussion section. But, this is a website about ''explaining'' xkcd comics. It is not a general trivia website with an xkcd bent. We should make an attempt to keep the information we provide domain specific (and I'm not talking about URLs). We intentionally do not duplicate content that is on Wikipedia, because Wikipedia is doing a fine job of housing its own data on its own.
-:::Those kinds of factoids have and are always been welcome, but they belong in a different place than ''creating'' a section that does not need to exist on pages. If we listed every random fact that was minorly associated with every strip, it would never be complete as there would always be cultures we don't know about with histories and stories we haven't read and heard.
-:::If you feel so strongly that there are more serious issues to address, then I suggest ''you'' get to work ''fixing'' them rather than making passive aggressive passes at the work other editors are working on.
-:::Thank you for the well wishes,
-:::[[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 21:29, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
-::::No time yesterday, so I'm sorry for the delay.
-::::*In general I do only a revert when I think an edit would have been the better explain instead a former revert.
-::::*Today I did clean up the transcript of [[1360]] and copied the content of that crappy template [[Template:1360/list]] to the explain. That's still wrong, content is missing, I did just NOT a simple UNDO, I did work on that line by line. Costs time. What a rhyme...
-::::*If you are an admin you should see my request and understand.
-::::TRIVIA is still a matter on discussion, and I still can accept most of your edits. But sometimes a sidestep for non US people sould be possible.
-::::--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:14, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
-== Attempt to break through an unjustified block ==
-I'm trying this because nothing else has worked.  Your name appears as the agent who blocked my account, apparently mistaking my User page for spam, as noted at:
-http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/User:Ornithikos
-The page was an exact copy of my Wikipedia user page, which demonstrates a characteristic of visual perception and gives credit to the MIT professor who created the demonstration.  You can see the unchanged original page at:
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ornithikos
-I committed no infraction at all, and don't plan to.  As evidence, see my Wikipedia editing record, which goes back to early 2010 and is visible at:
-https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Ornithikos&offset=&limit=1000&target=Ornithikos
-I request that you restore my account, which I never misused.  You can write me at [email protected] or on my Wikipedia Talk page:
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ornithikos
-Thanks,
-Ornithikos Paleologos
-:Sorry about that. You signed up before we had adequate spambot blocking measures. We'd ([[User:Davidy22]] and I) had noticed a pattern: a bot creates an account and then creates a user page and a user talk page with random gibberish and links to pages they want to up the google ranking of. Your account creation looked very bot-ish, especially since you didn't go and improve any explanations, or comment on a comic discussion page. Glad to know you're a person. I apologize for not looking closer at your case while cleaning up pages marked as spam. I hope you'll stick around and help improve the wiki! [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:00, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
-== Bad Link ==
-I saw a strange comment by user E-Inspired and saw there was a talk page, only to realize he was banned. I looked through the “blocked” text and noticed a link to “make useful contributions”, which linked to {{w|Five Pillars}} using the code Wikipedia:Five Pillars. This demonstrated the page you were trying to go too quite well, but the actual page linked to was a disambiguation page, and not the actual page “Wikipedia:Five Pillars”. I believe putting a w| in front of Wikipedia: Five Pillars to create {{w|Wikipedia:Five Pillars|this}} should fix the issue. Not pressing but didn’t want to just let it happen. Thanks in advance! [[User:Netherin5|“That Guy from the Netherlands”]] ([[User talk:Netherin5|talk]]) 16:43, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
-== Edit War Policy? ==
-I would very much appreciate your advice and/or opinion regarding [[Talk:977: Map Projections#Wording disagreement]] - [[User:Frankie|Frankie]] ([[User talk:Frankie|talk]]) 17:06, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
-== Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls ==
-Is that deliberate? [[User:Beanie|Beanie]] ([[User talk:Beanie|talk]]) 11:21, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
-== User page ==
-Hi, I'm a new user and for some reason I cannot edit my user bio page or use my user talk page. I have not found an explanation for this and because you seem to be 'official' I thought I could ask you why and how to change it.--[[User:Obscure xkcd reference|Obscure xkcd reference]] ([[User talk:Obscure xkcd reference|talk]]) 20:30, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
-:Oh jeez, if I'm what counts for official... I haven't been active here in a hot minute.
-:Can you create any pages? Or is it just your User: and User talk: pages? [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 21:08, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
-:: Yes it is just my User: and User talk: pages. Is it some sort of spammer blocker or is it a bug? And how can I change this? (I know that you shouldn't start a sentence with 'and' but I can't find any other way to phrase this.)--[[User:Obscure xkcd reference|Obscure xkcd reference]] ([[User talk:Obscure xkcd reference|talk]]) 17:35, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
-::: I'm pretty sure, but I don't think it's in any of the admin pages I have access to, that there's a 3 day new account policy for creating a user page or a user talk page. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 04:56, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
-::::Thank you☺️--[[User:Obscure xkcd reference|Obscure xkcd reference]] ([[User talk:Obscure xkcd reference|talk]]) 19:33, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
-== Spam Bot ==
-This user,
-[https://explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Explain_xkcd_server_admin&offset=&limit=500&target=Explain+xkcd+server+admin], is replacing entire pages contents with the word "crap." Been trying to revert their changes, but seems to be a bot. They've changed thousands of pages.
-[[Special:Contributions/172.69.69.20|172.69.69.20]] 00:26, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
-== Becoming an Admin again? ==
-Hi. After the recent explosion of vandalism, where I did a bunch of the cleanup, Jeff agreed to make me an admin, with a trial period of a week. As the week's end approached, I asked if I could continue, but Jeff never responded and my adminship lapsed.
-You're the only other bureaucrat on this system; would you mind restoring my Powers For Good? Thanks... -- [[User:Dtgriscom|Dtgriscom]] ([[User talk:Dtgriscom|talk]]) 13:51, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
-: No sign of either you or Jeff. I'll ask what I asked Jeff; if you swing by, would you please promote someone else to be a bureaucrat? Otherwise the next time there's a vandalism spree we'll have nobody to help us peons out. -- [[User:Dtgriscom|Dtgriscom]] ([[User talk:Dtgriscom|talk]]) 22:16, 18 October 2023 (UTC)