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− | + | Seven xkcd characters are discussing their "first news memory", their first memory of an event that was reported by the news media. Typically, very young children are unaware of even major news events. At some period in childhood, a news event will be significant and widely covered enough that the child will notice and remember it. Which specific event this is impacted by the person's age, where they live, and how prominently the news is featured in their homes and surroundings. | |
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− | [[ | + | In the first panel, [[Cueball]] and [[Megan]] report that they remember the {{w|1988 United States presidential election|1988 US presidential election}} and the {{w|Berlin_Wall#Fall_of_the_Berlin_Wall|the removal of the Berlin wall}} in 1989 respectively. These are normal 'firsts' for Americans born in the early 1980s, as both of these events dominated media coverage at the time when people of that age would first be old enough to notice and remember it. |
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− | + | [[Hairy]] then recalls watching the {{w|Space Shuttle Challenger disaster|''Challenger'' explosion}} in school. A number of schools in the United States showed the footage of the Space Shuttle ''Challenger'' being launched, only to be shocked when the rocket exploded shortly after take-off. This would indeed have been a formative memory for the many students who saw it live, but Hairy subverts this expectation by clarifying that he saw it in 1995, nearly a decade after the explosion. He mentions that his teacher was fired soon after, presumably for deliberately exposing young students to a traumatic event without a good reason. | |
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− | [[ | + | [[White Hat]] says that his first news memory was about the 2016 election (presumably the {{w|2016 United States presidential election|2016 US presidential election}}), which is only three years prior to the publication date of this comic. As he is in his 30's the fact that he can't remember any earlier news events surprises his friends, as he apparently was entirely unaware news events for most of his life. |
− | + | The final memory comes from [[Black Hat]], who says he remembers "when we landed on the moon". This implies that he's talking about the first {{w|moon landing}}, which occurred on July 20, 1969, and that "we" refers to the United States (which launched the mission in question). For people who where children in the 1960's, having the first moon landing as a memory is quite common. | |
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− | + | Black Hat subverts this interpretation by saying 'my second memory is my mom telling us we were moving to Earth instead, to blend in with the humans.' This completely re-interprets his first sentence, as it suggests that the "we" refers to himself and his family actually landing on the moon. It also implies that he's an alien who landed on the moon as a stopping point before relocating to earth. [[Hairbun]] remarks that this revelation "explains a lot", implying that Black Hat's fundamental disregard for normal standards of human behavior make more sense if he is, in fact, not human. Of course, it's equally valid to conclude that Black Hat is simply lying to mess with the people around him, which would be fully in character for him. This could also mean that Black Hat and White Hat are brothers, and thus, since it is unclear when they landed, it's possible the election was the first news episode White Hat ever watched. | |
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− | + | The title text gives [http://theconversation.com/flashbulb-memories-of-dramatic-events-arent-as-accurate-as-believed-64838 the claim] that {{w|Flashbulb memory|flashbulb memories}} of big events can be unreliable. Randall (or another character in the comic, possibly Hairbun or Black Hat, who would want to spread misinformation) denies this claim, claiming to remember watching on CNN as the ''Challenger'' spacecraft crashed into the Berlin Wall. This is an inaccurate memory of these two events, as the ''Challenger'' explosion occurred in 1986 over the Atlantic Ocean, just east of Cape Canaveral, Florida, and did not occur near the Berlin Wall (in Berlin, Germany). Also, the Berlin Wall was intentionally demolished starting in 1989; it was not damaged by a space shuttle.{{Citation needed}} It is possible that this memory also conflates those events with those of the {{w|September 11 attacks}} since the latter ''did'' involve three winged craft crashing into and destroying landmark structures. | |
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− | The title text gives [http://theconversation.com/flashbulb-memories-of-dramatic-events-arent-as-accurate-as-believed-64838 the claim] that {{w|Flashbulb memory|flashbulb memories}} of big events can be unreliable. Randall (or another character in the comic, possibly Hairbun) denies this claim, claiming to remember watching on CNN as the ''Challenger'' spacecraft crashed into the Berlin Wall. This is an inaccurate memory of these two events, as the ''Challenger'' explosion occurred in 1986 over the Atlantic Ocean, just east of Cape Canaveral, Florida, and did not occur near the Berlin Wall (in Berlin, Germany). Also, the Berlin Wall was intentionally demolished starting in 1989; it was not damaged by a space shuttle. It is possible that this memory also conflates those events with those of the {{w|September 11 attacks}} since the latter ''did'' involve three winged craft crashing into and destroying landmark structures. | ||
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{{comic discussion}} | {{comic discussion}} | ||
+ | [[Category:Comics featuring Ponytail]] | ||
+ | [[Category:Comics featuring Cueball]] | ||
+ | [[Category:Comics featuring Megan]] | ||
+ | [[Category:Comics featuring Hairy]] | ||
+ | [[Category:Comics featuring White Hat]] | ||
+ | [[Category:Comics featuring Black Hat]] | ||
+ | [[Category:Comics featuring Hairbun]] |
Latest revision as of 09:44, 7 June 2024
Explanation[edit]
Seven xkcd characters are discussing their "first news memory", their first memory of an event that was reported by the news media. Typically, very young children are unaware of even major news events. At some period in childhood, a news event will be significant and widely covered enough that the child will notice and remember it. Which specific event this is impacted by the person's age, where they live, and how prominently the news is featured in their homes and surroundings.
In the first panel, Cueball and Megan report that they remember the 1988 US presidential election and the the removal of the Berlin wall in 1989 respectively. These are normal 'firsts' for Americans born in the early 1980s, as both of these events dominated media coverage at the time when people of that age would first be old enough to notice and remember it.
Hairy then recalls watching the Challenger explosion in school. A number of schools in the United States showed the footage of the Space Shuttle Challenger being launched, only to be shocked when the rocket exploded shortly after take-off. This would indeed have been a formative memory for the many students who saw it live, but Hairy subverts this expectation by clarifying that he saw it in 1995, nearly a decade after the explosion. He mentions that his teacher was fired soon after, presumably for deliberately exposing young students to a traumatic event without a good reason.
White Hat says that his first news memory was about the 2016 election (presumably the 2016 US presidential election), which is only three years prior to the publication date of this comic. As he is in his 30's the fact that he can't remember any earlier news events surprises his friends, as he apparently was entirely unaware news events for most of his life.
The final memory comes from Black Hat, who says he remembers "when we landed on the moon". This implies that he's talking about the first moon landing, which occurred on July 20, 1969, and that "we" refers to the United States (which launched the mission in question). For people who where children in the 1960's, having the first moon landing as a memory is quite common.
Black Hat subverts this interpretation by saying 'my second memory is my mom telling us we were moving to Earth instead, to blend in with the humans.' This completely re-interprets his first sentence, as it suggests that the "we" refers to himself and his family actually landing on the moon. It also implies that he's an alien who landed on the moon as a stopping point before relocating to earth. Hairbun remarks that this revelation "explains a lot", implying that Black Hat's fundamental disregard for normal standards of human behavior make more sense if he is, in fact, not human. Of course, it's equally valid to conclude that Black Hat is simply lying to mess with the people around him, which would be fully in character for him. This could also mean that Black Hat and White Hat are brothers, and thus, since it is unclear when they landed, it's possible the election was the first news episode White Hat ever watched.
Title Text[edit]
The title text gives the claim that flashbulb memories of big events can be unreliable. Randall (or another character in the comic, possibly Hairbun or Black Hat, who would want to spread misinformation) denies this claim, claiming to remember watching on CNN as the Challenger spacecraft crashed into the Berlin Wall. This is an inaccurate memory of these two events, as the Challenger explosion occurred in 1986 over the Atlantic Ocean, just east of Cape Canaveral, Florida, and did not occur near the Berlin Wall (in Berlin, Germany). Also, the Berlin Wall was intentionally demolished starting in 1989; it was not damaged by a space shuttle.[citation needed] It is possible that this memory also conflates those events with those of the September 11 attacks since the latter did involve three winged craft crashing into and destroying landmark structures.
Transcript[edit]
- [Ponytail, Cueball, Megan, Hairy, White Hat, Black Hat and Hairbun are all at a party, discussing their earliest news memories.]
- [Panel with Ponytail, Cueball, Megan, and Hairy]
- Ponytail: What's your first news memory?
- Cueball: I always like this question! Mine was the 1988 election.
- Megan: Berlin wall for me. You?
- [Frame-less panel with Megan, Hairy, White Hat, and Black Hat]
- Hairy: Watching the Challenger launch in class. We were so excited; everyone was horrified when it blew up.
- Hairy: It was 1995.
- Hairy: Our teacher got fired soon after.
- [Panel with Hairy, White Hat, Black Hat, and Hairbun]
- White Hat: Mine's the 2016 election.
- Hairbun: ...aren't you in your 30's?
- White Hat: Look, we're not all great about keeping up with the news, OK?
- [Panel with White Hat, Black Hat, and Hairbun]
- Black Hat: My first memory is when we landed on the moon.
- Black Hat: My second memory is my mom telling us we were moving to Earth instead, to blend in with the humans.
- Hairbun: This explains a lot.
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Discussion
AAAAA, black hat is an alien confirmed in XKCD cinematic universe canon!!!1! Fabian42 (talk) 23:33, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Should it be linked to Comics to make one feel old? it is kind of a similar theme. especially 1686: Feel Old. Also (not of the feel old series): 1093: Forget. --Lupo (talk) 05:56, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
First News Memory[edit]
The challenger disaster was my first news memory too. 108.162.241.124 19:37, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- The Challenger disaster was for me, too -- except I distinctly remember it being during my 8th grade year (two years after it had occurred). Earlier still would be Mt. St. Helens' blowing it's top (well, side) -- except it wasn't a news event, it was a life event (we lived in Idaho at the time, and had a lot of the first ash that came down...) 162.158.75.52 05:58, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
- Wait... is the Challenger disaster my first news memory if I watched it happen live? 108.162.241.124 12:26, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Bernie Sanders not being admitted into debates was mine... ProphetZarquon (talk) 19:54, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- The debate was with Moses -- Bernie is old. Barmar (talk) 19:59, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- And yet distinctly more lucid than Biden & more active than Trump. Bernie's age doesn't concern me much. ProphetZarquon (talk) 20:50, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
I'm sure I must have watched the moon landing, but I don't actually remember it (I was 8 at the time). I remember Nixon being elected, but I'm not sure if it was 1968 or 1972.Barmar (talk)
I was five and was allowed to stay up very late - i think I remember being allowed to stay up more than the moon landing. 162.158.154.67 22:10, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
I vaguely remember the last moon landing (family didn’t have TV for the first three) but I very clearly remember the first picture of Mars sent back by the Viking lander. They actually interrupted the regular programming to show it live.172.69.234.132 04:23, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
If it's supposed it's first news memory you remember clearly, mine would be the September 11 attacks ... however, i'm sure it was nowhere near first news I was watching. It's just that the ones before were either hard to date (like some road accidents) or not visual enough (talking heads), so I don't remember if I watched that one in TV or read it in newspaper. Also, I suspect it was first news I saw outside of regular news show: they interrupted what was supposed to be in TV at that time, so I though it's some catastrophic movie first. -- Hkmaly (talk) 10:53, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
For me it was the German election results 1998, where Schröder became the new Kanzler. 3 Years later, 9/11 is much clearer on my mind however --Lupo (talk) 11:11, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
It's very hazy, I don't have many memories from when I was young but I recall McCain being defeated. 172.69.234.136 12:28, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
What comes to my mind was the Great Alaska Earthquake which I read about in the "Weekly Reader" distributed in elementary school. My memory is that I was about 8 years old, but in fact the Alaska earthquake was in March 1964 and I was 10 years old. Which makes the Kennedy assassination in November 1963 my first strong news memory. So this demonstrates the malleability of (at least my) memory. Rtanenbaum (talk) 13:22, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
My first news memory was watching the Apollo–Soyuz link-up from the Apollo side. NASA televised the opening of the hatch on the Apollo and shaking hands with the Soviet cosmonaut and I remember my mom explaining that that was happening up in space way above us. Nutster (talk) 13:59, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Mine was the 1976 election of Carter over Ford. Mom was Democrat and her stepfather was Republican. His derision of Carter was...exuberant. Observer of the Absurd (talk) 16:20, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
You all make me feel very young... My first news memory was 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, but it's very vague... 172.68.51.166 09:28, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
For me, it was some news story about Tony Blair. No idea what the story was, and I know I've seen the news before that, but that's the first I can remember. It would have been the Fairford MIG 21 crash (mid air collision) in 1993. But I was camping there and had no access to a TV. I did however get to see fresh wreckage, both on the runway, and in the (otherwise empty) field next to the one I was staying in... 162.158.154.115 10:05, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
I'm so old that I already forgot everything, but I still remember the daily news on the 'Nam. Being about 14 and a German, I shouldn't have cared less, but I definitely rooted for the Commies. :P 141.101.104.201 13:51, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Another old guy who remembers the JFK assassination. I remember the school principal announced it over the PA. I was 8 years old. We watched the entire funeral procession on TV at home. Of course with something that has been talked about for so long it's hard to forget. OldTimer (talk) 17:35, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Margaret Thatcher, MP, gaining leadership of the Conservative Party. Can't remember when I later learnt she became Prime Minister, though. There's a gap. (*Insert joke about current leadership contest, here...*) 162.158.158.165 13:27, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
For me it propably was the death of [Uwe Barschel]. --162.158.114.52 07:28, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Weirdly, my first dateable news memory is indeed the lunar landing when I was 22 month old, which occurred on my father's birthday. His main birthday gift, from my grandparents, was our first TV. The first thing we watched on it was the lunar landing. I have earlier memories I can safely date to when I was around 14 months old. Not counting nightmares I've had since I was a toddler that may be the birth experience. But that one's a bit of a stretch. — Kazvorpal (talk) 01:37, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, and it's worth note that famed actress Marilu Henner lost her virginity on the day of the moon landing. I know this because I watched her on a talk show, I think Late Night with Bob Costas in the late 1980s, and he was rattling off dates to test her eidetic memory. He gave July 20th, 1969, and she was flustered. She eventually said that's when she lost her virginity. He was amazed, and said he was going for the lunar landing. She was quite bemused. Oh, she eventually added that she lost it standing up in the shower. — Kazvorpal (talk) 01:37, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Mine is the Wall coming down, and I know it´s original because I remember telling my schoolmates (5th grade) next morning while changing for gymnastics, and they were thoroughly unimpressed. ;) --162.158.94.178 20:50, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Explain the comic[edit]
(Flashblub memories \ Mandela effect) I think we need an explanation of Flashbulb memories, for sure. ProphetZarquon (talk) 20:50, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Details hazy[edit]
"Challenger crashed into and destroyed the Berlin Wall" ... 'That's right, isn't it?' - Dexter Walker (played by Daryl Mitchell) on The John Laroquette Show ProphetZarquon (talk) 20:50, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Links to character pages[edit]
This comic especially felt like it needed links to character pages, so I added them. If we have a policy not to do that, please feel free to unlink. Jkshapiro (talk) 02:10, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Deny/refute[edit]
In comment on title text, I changed refutes to denies. Refute means to actually prove something is untrue, not the same as just denying it is true. One deals with proven fact, the other is unsupported opinion.
- This is a definition, but it can also mean: "deny or contradict (a statement or accusation)", from the Latin refutare, to repel or rebut. OhFFS (talk) 15:29, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Amnesia (frame three)[edit]
Has White Hat ever evidenced amnesia before? It just feels like such an unlikely explanation for his comment. Amnesia is a rare and notable thing, and there's something disproportionate about using it as a throwaway line in an otherwise unrelated strip. Jkshapiro (talk) 02:45, 12 July 2019 (UTC)