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| This comic had the potential to be really cool, but Randall just ''had'' to go all social justice soldier and shit it up with benevolent-sexist feminism. "Here's the 'regular' graph: '''Chess'''. And here's the ''other'' graph: '''Chess (''Women!'')''' (''They're different'') (''They're special'') (''I'm not reinforcing social inequality by doing this, I'm changing it for the better!'')." Yeah, eat shit, Randall. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.212.215|108.162.212.215]] 16:45, 15 July 2014 (UTC) | | This comic had the potential to be really cool, but Randall just ''had'' to go all social justice soldier and shit it up with benevolent-sexist feminism. "Here's the 'regular' graph: '''Chess'''. And here's the ''other'' graph: '''Chess (''Women!'')''' (''They're different'') (''They're special'') (''I'm not reinforcing social inequality by doing this, I'm changing it for the better!'')." Yeah, eat shit, Randall. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.212.215|108.162.212.215]] 16:45, 15 July 2014 (UTC) |
− | : Chess is divided by sex at the professional level. Because of the way that Elo is calculated, this division makes it impossible to fairly display them on the same chart. Elo is based on a comparison of players to one another, and because it's not zero-sum, the level of skill described a certain Elo lowers over time. When it was new, a thousand would have been incredible, because everyone had started out low and were competing against other low-ranked players. And since the pools of opponents are different due to the professional-level sex divide, their skills cannot be compared by Elo. Plotting women onto the mens' chart would result in the women being ranked poorly, because the meaning of a certain Elo score is different. This is also why chess is gradually climbing while basketball stays at the same maximum. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.246.209|108.162.246.209]] 12:54, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
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− | ::That's incorrect, Chess is not officially divided by sex at the professional level. There are "Open" tournaments, in which either gender is welcome to compete, and "Women's" events, in which only women are allowed to compete. Second, elo is not gender specific. It is merely a comparison of playing strength/a prediction of the likelihood player A defeats player B, and there is no "men's" elo and "women's" elo. Nor are the "pools of opponents different." At any broadly open tournament in the world, like the U.S. Open, men and women play each other. You might be mistaken by looking only at ultra high-tier tournaments, which are almost exclusively men, as many of them are by invite or placement only. But again, that is because men dominate the upper level of competition, not because women are not allowed in; it's just a plain statement of fact that a top women's player like Hou Yifan would be steamrolled at a tournament like Wijk An See. When Judit was an active player, she regularly competed in these tournaments because her skill level was on or near par with these players.
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− | ::In short, your comment is just wrong. The meaning of an Elo score is not different for each sex. There is no official segregation at the professional level; there is just a nuanced appreciation that the major female players are not yet at the level of the major male players. That is why very small (in terms of number of players) round robin tournaments like Wijk An See have a women's section and an open section-without a women's section, there would be no women in the tournament at all. {{unsigned ip|108.162.216.210}}
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− | Any way to find out which NBA and ABA Randall is referring to? NBA could be National Basketball Association or Nepal Basketball Association. ABA could be Australian Basketball Association, American Basketball Association or Adriatic Basketball Association. [[User:Tharkon|Tharkon]] ([[User talk:Tharkon|talk]]) 21:43, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
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− | : ABA is near certainly the American Basketball Association, since the two leagues merged in 1976 and four current NBA teams came from the ABA. I find it difficult to imagine that we have the stats necessary to determine a number 1 player statistically from other leagues. Additionally, Julius Irving and Moses Malone are listed on the chart -- they were both playing for ABA teams prior to the merger. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.55|173.245.54.55]] 17:57, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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− | :: For completeness, a Google search reveals no such entity as the "Nepal Basketball Association" in existence (there is a Nepal Basketball League, but it was founded in 2018); the professional basketball league in Australia did not become known as the Australia Basketball Association until 1999; the entity currently known as the ABA League was founded in 2001. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.78.124|162.158.78.124]] 18:04, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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