Editing Talk:1538: Lyrics

The character I'm missing in the title is [http://unicode-table.com/en/0FD0/ Tibetan Mark Bska- Shog Gi Mgo Rgyan U+0FD0] [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.129|108.162.216.129]] 06:13, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Description seems heavily referential, without a clear or concise description of the mechanisms involved.  Surely there is a psychological concept associated with this, rather than "that one scat jazz song" [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.166|108.162.219.166]] 06:40, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

I feel like Randall is talking about all songs in this comic, not just ones where the singer favours "emotion, accent or style over clear pronunciation of the lyrics". I mean, has anyone ever listened to a song and immediately understood every single lyric on the first listen? I think that's the issue Randall is trying to express. [[User:Enchantedsleeper|Enchantedsleeper]] ([[User talk:Enchantedsleeper|talk]]) 14:36, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

;Unicode
And the second Box is a Mathematical Script small I (U+1D4BE)
And the First Box is a Mathematical Fraktur small S (U+1D530)
I think These are the only ones, that iOS7 can't picture. [[User:ẞ qwertz|ẞ qwertz]] ([[User talk:ẞ qwertz|talk]]) 06:35, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

More fun with Unicode. Question is, which OS does Randall have that has perfect support? (It has to cover emoji and obscure glyphs like these. Likely that it's multiple devices?) [[User:Azule|Azule]] ([[User talk:Azule|talk]]) 06:47, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
::Windows 7 here, everything displays properly for me. I don't think supporting most (or all) of the Unicode charset is as uncommon today as it used to be. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.128|108.162.221.128]] 10:37, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
::Linux Mint 17 here, ditto. [[User:Seipas|Seipas]] ([[User talk:Seipas|talk]]) 11:05, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
::Most of todays operating systems have unicode support perfect, but may still lack some fonts. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 12:08, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
:::Well, http://i62.tinypic.com/258b02t.png <!-- *** That probably should be uploaded to local Wiki storage for internal rendering, but I didn't want to be presumptuous... Do correct this and re-edit my comment if you're so inclined *** --> is as far as I've so far managed to get my personal rendering.  "...but it's hard to read and I can't focus ?it?" would have been be my guess. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.48|141.101.99.48]] 14:28, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm looking forward to finding out what the words are in English (as opposed to Unicodish). [[User:Azule|Azule]] ([[User talk:Azule|talk]]) 06:47, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

:"...but it's hard to read and I can't focus"? [[User:Gearoid|Gearóid]] ([[User talk:Gearoid|talk]]) 07:48, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

;Misheard Lyrics
Folks. I offer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI1hGShVdBA as the latest example of the genre. "I rub a Mexican loki" -> "I'm up all night to get lucky". [[User:Gearoid|Gearóid]] ([[User talk:Gearoid|talk]]) 07:02, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

:Not typical example. In typical example, you can't hear the lyrics over the music, not because the singer have bad pronunciation. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 12:08, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
:Still, could be added to the explanation that "misheard lyrics" is its own genre on Youtube. Notable example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg5_mlQOsUQ --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.254.104|108.162.254.104]] 21:02, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

...Songs still have lyrics these days? {turns on the radio} BWWWUWWUWUWUWUB {turns off the radio} [[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.111|108.162.215.111]]

I sometimes observe that while dreaming, I can read the seemingly intelligible text perfectly well, but it changes every time I look back at it. --[[Special:Contributions/173.245.48.161|173.245.48.161]] 09:04, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Title possibly inspired by http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags/1732454#1732454 (however, there is a lot of stuff like that) {{unsigned ip|108.162.254.108}}

Why a phone?  Why cannot Cueball be holding a tablet? {{unsigned|RChandra}}

Can it be remote control to the radio he's listening to? Or CD case with printed lyrics? I don't know how phone would fit the story. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.51.120|173.245.51.120]] 13:18, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

For non-native English speakers is even funnier: you look up the lyrics after giving up on deciphering what it says and think: "After so many years studying this language, is *that huge* the comprehension gap between natives and I"? Then you find that natives don't pick up the lyrics either. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.66.53|141.101.66.53]] 13:20, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Don't look up the lyrics. Whatever you imagine it to be is likely better, and if you can't tell what it is and have no idea: Consider yourself lucky. "If I could be so lucky, lucky, lucky!".[[Special:Contributions/108.162.254.149|108.162.254.149]] 13:46, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm the person that can hear all the lyrics without looking them up. I can't turn it off, and then my brain analyses what they actually mean. Trust me, you're better off not being able to understand them. They suck. [[User:Andyd273|Andyd273]] ([[User talk:Andyd273|talk]]) 14:05, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I only have that after looking up the lyrics. (non-native english speaker). I think I somewhat agree with you. --[[Special:Contributions/141.101.104.67|141.101.104.67]] 15:35, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I have a theory that the producers add lyrics to the songs so that they can be easily looked up (I hear song => don't know what it is => look up lyrics => figure out what the song it was), yet it is hard to understand clearly so it wouldn't detract from the music. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.97.231|141.101.97.231]] 22:20, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

;Attempt at translating
Please feel free to add suggestions below those I have given here. I write first each line in the attempt I have given at typing what is actually written (of course not possible), and then the next line (indented) with the words I think should be there. I have already two possible interpretations of one line. So please just ad an :or and a new line here below. Then note below with a signature that you have added more lines here. Maybe we can include some of the best guesses in the explanation. I do not think this will turn out to be a real song we can find the lyrics to, but I would be very interested in good suggestions. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 15:02, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

:I CANTFVEN +ELe THER 
::I can't even tell her
:or
::I can't even help her
:or
::I can't f-en please her ("plussee th-er")


:ANDT⊕NG fHE WCAN NAp. 
::And ???? she can ???.
:or
::And ????  she wanna.
:or
::Finding she can nap
:or
::Finding she wanna.
:or
::Anything she wants ta (to?)
:or
::Anything she wants can have (wa' can 'haf)


:HADBE AūτlfA!NNNG∩RKILL... 
::Had be ????????????? kill…
::: Had be ous tanning or I'll ? --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.68.29|162.158.68.29]] 15:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
:or
::Had be >autsaining< (outstanding?) or kill
:or
::Had ße aut?????? I'll (Had me out, saying "I will¨) 
:or
:: Had to be outstanding girl 

:::I'm pretty certain that what looks like a "K" is just the right half of the "R" in "OR," making it "I'LL" or "ILL" and not "KILL" [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.161|108.162.219.161]] 02:26, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

:FOR♡ITiNnaAGL♡OOO!VEEE ?-
::For ????????? Loooveee?-
:or
:: Foorgetting Looooveee 
:or
:: For tiny gloooooooove
:or
:: For Tina's Looooooveee
:or
::Forgotten Love --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.68.29|162.158.68.29]] 15:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

:::Please just fill in more suggestions above--[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 15:02, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

:::Added some. Apearently someone can't tell some sleeping girl something because she is asleep and therefore not listening. He/she did not know the girl could nap before he found out she was asleep. The rest as of yet makes even less sense. What would the genre of this song be? --[[Special:Contributions/141.101.104.67|141.101.104.67]] 15:35, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

:::: The drawn out "loooooove" makes me think pop. -[[User:Captain Video|Captain Video]] ([[User talk:Captain Video|talk]]) 16:55, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

::: Added some of my own. I think it makes slightly more sense now, if you pick the right ones. Others are just silly. 15:54, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

The structure of the lyrics (four lines of equal length) suggests the standard A/B/A/B rhyme scheme, which could in theory help decipher them. In practice, the final syllables of each line appear to be her/nap/-ill/love, which make no musical sense. - [[User:Captain Video|Captain Video]] ([[User talk:Captain Video|talk]]) 16:55, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

;Accesibility/Readibility
I'm pretty sure I've seen the Transcript changed several times, presumably by different people, encompassing representations of 1) what it wants to be in 'normal' text, 2) what it might consist of in Unicode and 3) a compromise version of what it looks like in (mostly) non-Unicode.  (As it currently stands, I still have character-missing symbols, in the transcript, on my particular platform.)  Can I suggest that the transcript (and elsewhere where such things are quoted?) maybe uses something like the pattern "FOO (''Bar'')" for each line, "FOO" being the best-guess full Unicode representation (for the visual effect, where it works) and "Bar", here italicised and in parenthises but other formats being available, being the best-guess original text (for readability, especially for people without full Unicode support).  Once the '''Attempt at translating''', above, has settled down, of course.  And how about doing the same for a 'readable' version of the Hovertext, too?  You shouldn't assume that everyone who comes here is as fully equipped, font-wise, as any other contributor (or even Randall) is.  Reducing to the 7-bit ASCII range of characters (i.e. #s 32-126) for the 'plaintext' version should be entirely possible and accessible to ''all'' current and future platforms, without any obvious limitations. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.48|141.101.99.48]] 22:03, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

How about a png of the alt text, for those of us who are installed-font-challenged? - toadhammer [[Special:Contributions/108.162.238.175|108.162.238.175]] 13:16, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

;Lyric Deafness
As soon as I read this comic it perfectly described how I hear lyrics in basically all music, and my reaction was "oh, wow, it's not just me". I am quite musically inclined, and can play a few instruments and quite quickly learn how to play a song just be listening to it. I can also, for example, often recognize a song I haven't heard in 10 years in just a couple notes and hum along with it -- but on the flip side, I can hear a song once or twice a day for weeks, and still not even know more than a couple words in the chorus despite otherwise knowing the song note-for-note. I have to ''really'' concentrate to actually hear the words. I was surprised to see no explanation of this phenomenon here. I started searching and quickly came across the term "lyric deaf", and in fact, there have been many discussions about this that very accurately reflect my own feelings: 
* http://ask.metafilter.com/154586/Why-cant-I-hear-lyrics
* http://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/1eyche/i_cant_understand_lyrics_am_i_alone/
* http://cogsci.stackexchange.com/questions/85/why-are-some-people-unable-to-easily-memorize-the-lyrics-to-a-song
* http://www.quora.com/Is-there-such-a-thing-as-being-lyric-deaf
I added a couple sentences about this but it could probably use some good citations. People that are not themselves lyric deaf are likely unable to understand what this even means. {{unsigned|Groogs}}

;The worst is when it does not even help looking them up - example Four five seconds: http://www.directlyrics.com/rihanna-fourfiveseconds-lyrics.html {{unsigned ip|141.101.104.101}}