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More like this [https://bananaphone.io/ banana phone][[Special:Contributions/|]] 20:12, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
More like this [https://bananaphone.io/ banana phone][[Special:Contributions/|]] 20:12, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
I believe it references [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIiZ3vvZ78s this song] by Raffi.--[[Special:Contributions/|]] 09:28, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
'''Compounding nouns'''
'''Compounding nouns'''

Revision as of 09:28, 8 September 2018

The state of California already believes that a house held by a car is a housecar:

Vehicle Code - VEH
DIVISION 1. WORDS AND PHRASES DEFINED [100 - 681] ( Division 1 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )
A “house car” is a motor vehicle originally designed, or permanently altered, and equipped for human habitation, or to which a camper has been permanently attached. A motor vehicle to which a camper has been temporarily attached is not a house car except that, for the purposes of Division 11 (commencing with Section 21000) and Division 12 (commencing with Section 24000), a motor vehicle equipped with a camper having an axle that is designed to support a portion of the weight of the camper unit shall be considered a three-axle house car regardless of the method of attachment or manner of registration. A house car shall not be deemed to be a motortruck.[1]

Bonus: "motortruck" does indeed refer to a truck that holds a motor. Jordan Brown (talk) 15:57, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

The State of California believes all sort of strange things Kev (talk) 18:20, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Randall did just correct the comic. The first version said "this [row] held by this [column]", which would have meant, that e.g. a towtruck is a car held by a car, which is just wrong. It has just be updated to the correct "a this [column] that holds a this [row]". I do not know how to change that here. Should be mentioned in Trivia Lupo (talk) 16:11, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your eagle eyes. I've uploaded the new version, please be patient until the cache is expired and you can see it. --Dgbrt (talk) 16:48, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Boat boat

Shouldn't a boat that holds another boat be some sort of either carrier, or at-sea repair dock?

Sort of like a mothership, or a drydock? Or an oil rig (technically considered a ship by international law), etc?

For that matter, how about the distinction between a boat and a ship? Keybounce (talk) 16:34, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

well... with the original version it fits. a boat held by another boat is a lifeboat. But the new version it doesnt. a boat that holds another boat would be, as you say, carrier, mothership, etc. looks like randall didn't think this through to the end... Lupo (talk) 16:40, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Floating Drydock? [2] -- OldCorps (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)
As far as I can remember, a ship is a boat that can manage being away from shore for more than a day Kev (talk) 18:16, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Similar failing: an apartment is the small entity—the "house" that is contained by the larger house. Apartment building (or apartment complex) would have been the term to be replaced. jameslucas (" " / +) 17:42, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Agreed. His list of words contains elements that fall into either the 'x held by y' or 'x that holds y' definition, so neither definition can work for all the words! Only way to fix is to replace some of the words as suggested ('apartment building' instead of 'apartment'). 17:52, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

You're entirely correct on both counts. Lifeboats are carried by other boats, and ships that can carry other ships do exist. This comic also fails to distinguish between boats and ships, and cars, trucks, and trailers. While a Boathouse is indeed a house for boats, a boat trailer is usually a trailer and not a car- the name already follows Randell's suggested logic: it's a trailer (characterized by lacking it's own engine, steering, and driver's cabin) that holds one or more boats. In addition, both tow trucks and car carriers are large enough to be properly referred to as trucks (the smallest type of tow truck I know of is built on a pickup truck chassis) and are fully capable to towing or carrying other trucks as well as cars, making the term carcar inaccurate. Yes, I'm being pedantic, but this might be worth mentioning in explanation. 16:44, 7 September 2018 (UTC)Chris Long

Each of the compound words that Randall has made up here are still "correct" - but general. The failure to distinguish between multiple examples isn't a "bug" here; it's a feature of the productive nature of novel compounding in English. Each of 'apartment', 'tow truck' and 'lifeboat' should be treated as an example of 'househouse', 'carcar' and 'boatboat', respectively, but given the way English treats novel compounds, they can't be the only examples. (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)
He tries to get a logic in there, as in the difference between boathouse and houseboat, to show which supports which, but fails to do so. While your comment is in itself ok, the comic clearly tries to put in a logic and fails to do so.Lupo (talk) 20:41, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
I wouldn't read too much into it. This comic is, of course, lighthearted in nature, and I'm pretty sure Randall doesn't literally hold these views and call for the creation of a "carcar" or something. 04:35, 8 September 2018 (UTC)


Is this a spoiler for the XKCD phone 2001? Will this phone be edible, yellow and be 10G-erine compatible? Kev (talk) 18:16, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

More like this banana phone172.68.34.16 20:12, 7 September 2018 (UTC) I believe it references this song by Raffi.-- 09:28, 8 September 2018 (UTC) Compounding nouns

As a native German speaker I've learned in school that compounding nouns in German like "Hausboot" are always written as "house boat" in English, the nouns do not form to a new single noun. And I'm still sure that "Hausbootbriefkasten" (Haus-boot-brief-kasten) still translates literally to something like "house boats letter box" in the original Oxford English domain, while "letterbox of a houseboat" is probably the much better translation. Nonetheless the order at the German looong noun is still correct: There's a box, for a letter, on a boat, which supports a house. And a record holder in German: Donaudampfschiffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft, even Germans are annoyed... --Dgbrt (talk) 20:31, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

If a boat that carries a boat is called a ship, should "ship" be in the boatboat square instead of "lifeboat"? 01:37, 8 September 2018 (UTC)