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| | ::I think the graph should be labeled in seconds. I mean, gigaseconds for time and light microseconds for distance. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 02:55, 20 May 2020 (UTC) | | ::I think the graph should be labeled in seconds. I mean, gigaseconds for time and light microseconds for distance. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 02:55, 20 May 2020 (UTC) |
| | ::You know what? You’re mostly right (and this is coming from and American!), but I disagree with the “billion” thing. The US way makes more sense and is more common, anyway. [[User:Trogdor147|Trogdor147]] ([[User talk:Trogdor147|talk]]) 04:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC) | | ::You know what? You’re mostly right (and this is coming from and American!), but I disagree with the “billion” thing. The US way makes more sense and is more common, anyway. [[User:Trogdor147|Trogdor147]] ([[User talk:Trogdor147|talk]]) 04:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC) |
| − | :::I've gotten used to large figures as displayed in 'idle games' (after sufficient progression), where I can make the conversion of "15.2T" or "3.95Qi" or "657No" to pure values with the correct number of zeros if I need to.
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| − | :::I have to take the whole part, the fractional digits (padded up to three, with zeroes) then three times the suffix's 'number' (maybe M=1, B=2, T=3, (Qu/Qa)/Q, Qi/q (latter is case-differentiated "Q"uadrillion from "q"uintillion, where sticking to one-char suffixes), He/S, (Se/Sp)/s, Oc/O, No/N, (De/Dc)/D=10, then often aa=11, ab=12 and onwards; not sure if 20 would be "aj" as next in a lower-case lower-case base26ish progression ("az"+1="ba") or go for "b(z?)" then "ba" for 21 in "alpha-coded decimal" where "aaa" would appear at 111-illions... I've never yet had to deal with such magnitudes). Anyway, 'simple'. Ish. (Though I find that "35O" in typical fonts can look too much like "Three hundred and fifty" rather than the actual "Thirty-five Octillion", for apps that go with that particular coded convention. And "23.5O" only disambiguates easily when you realise a figure never uses fractional non-suffixed numbers and/or doesn't zero-pad to 2DP.)
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| − | :::Thus "15 ''200'' 000 000 000" (spaces given for convenience, or instead of the ","/"." thousand separator of choice/localisation), "3 ''950'' 000 000 000 000 000" and "657 ''000'' 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000" for those initially given examples.
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| − | :::So there's ''a'' logic to the Short Scale, in deriving the full numbers. But as well as the initial 'whole number' (1<=n<=999) and the suffix 'magnitude padding' you always have to ''add three arbitrary digits'' that represent the (typically two or less) decimal places. A permanent off-by-three adjustment.
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| − | :::With the Long Scale, it'd just be straight 6xSuffix digits (the first few being any decimals, then zero-padded). With perhaps something like "Xd" for "X-illiard"s (or "tX" for "thousand X-illion" under traditional British expansion) of this 6x and the directly implied extra 3, or just go for "#####0(.##?)X" format, but the adjustment is at least justified. And you run out of any given run of clearly understandable suffixes at roughly double the magnitude of the point at which ran out of them in the Short version.
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| − | :::So, while I wouldn't wish to change the 'standard', I think it's clearly not the more logical or descriptive one.
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| − | :::Also note that (excluding the huge 'other scale' populations which actually includes the top two most populous nations) it is clear that [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/EScalas_corta_y_larga.svg Long Scale is not exactly rare]. For example plenty of 'old world' countries with reasonably packed populations, compared with a number of large Short Scale/Short-with-Milliard territories with low densities across most of their sprawling areas (e.g. US, Russia, Brazil, Australia, trans-Sahara nations...). There's the mixed-use ones as well. Canada is steadfastly Anglo-French hybrid in various ways, of ''course'' they're not melded to either system, in one of the largest countries by area (actual or by distorted map area) if you don't like reducing to populations. And in the whole of (most distorted) Antarctica probably most of its few multinational 'inhabitants' instead prefer to resort to SI prefixes and/or powers-of-ten anyway!
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| − | :::So "makes more sense"{{Actual citation needed}} and "more common"{{Actual citation needed}} are dubious by almost any definition... IMO! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.205|172.70.85.205]] 09:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
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| | :Wow you're so cool and epic for using slurs good job | | :Wow you're so cool and epic for using slurs good job |
| | :1. That was unnecessary. 2. I honestly don’t care what units people use, as long they aren’t super obscure (like furlongs or smoots). 3. Yes, I know this discussion is 3 years old, and I don’t care (also I’m new here and I want to be a part of things). [[User:Trogdor147|Trogdor147]] ([[User talk:Trogdor147|talk]]) 04:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC) | | :1. That was unnecessary. 2. I honestly don’t care what units people use, as long they aren’t super obscure (like furlongs or smoots). 3. Yes, I know this discussion is 3 years old, and I don’t care (also I’m new here and I want to be a part of things). [[User:Trogdor147|Trogdor147]] ([[User talk:Trogdor147|talk]]) 04:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC) |
