Editing Talk:2364: Parity Conservation

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Would it be possible to mirror the light particles bouncing off a mirror in an experiment similar to what cueball is trying to do? [[User:Donthaveusername|Donthaveusername]] ([[User talk:Donthaveusername|talk]])
:Not sure exactly what you are asking, but photons (and gluons, and Z-bosons, and if they exist, presumably gravitons) are their own anti-particle, so photons are the same regardless if the source is matter or antimatter. https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1153 for more info.[[Special:Contributions/173.245.52.187|173.245.52.187]] 04:25, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:I'm also not exactly sure what you mean, but if you're asking about using a mirror to conduct an experiment in reality, the answer is no. Particles in our world will either pass through a mirror or reflect off of it. Either way, they're still in our world. Mirrors are of use when we want to see how reflection works (assuming the mirror reflects the particles concerned). The benefit to enlisting Bloody Mary's help here seems to be that she is located in another location inside or connected to the mirror, which is why she has to perform the measurements; the measurements can't be performed outside her secondary universe. The experiment here confirms whether her universe and our universe work in the same way. [[User:Nathan|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Nathan|talk]]) 06:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
::I guess what I'm trying to say is like, imagine the image on the mirror, but mirrored onto our side of the mirror, so you get a near 2d hologram. That was a terrible job of explaining, but maybe it offered some insight? [[User:Donthaveusername|Donthaveusername]] ([[User talk:Donthaveusername|talk]])
: I don't understand physics very well, but my simplistic understanding is that the electric and magnetic field components of the photons that are normal to the surface of the mirror are indeed actually mirrored.  I don't believe the orientation of the photons, like that filtered by 3d glasses to separate the eyes, is mirrored.  I could be wrong.  [[Special:Contributions/162.158.62.245|162.158.62.245]] 16:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:: The "orientation" you speak about is called polarization and I suspect mirror destroys it. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 18:53, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I am wary about "an entire anti-person would annihilate a normal person if they touch"-type stuff. It was a trope used in '60s cartoons that there'd be an anti-matter world and ''only'' representative being/item A and representative being/item anti-A touching would create mutual (or not, if even more laughably plot-driven in favour of one of them surviving) vanishing of both... And often with just vanish-in-smoke.  Whereas we all know that ''any'' matter meeting ''any'' anti-matter (notwithstanding that 'all electrons and positrons are the same electron bouncing back and forth in time) will annihilate, and if the energies produced don't yet actively push the non-fingertip (or breath, or just space-suit glove on anti-spaceship airlock handle) counter-matters apart there's going to be ''more'' annihilation after the first fizzle. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.158.171|162.158.158.171]] 10:59, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:Not just cartoons; see also the ST:TOS episode 'The Alternative Factor', 1967, which got the whole "antimatter", "individuals", "destroy the universe" stuff laughably, painfully wrong. [[User:BunsenH|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH|talk]]) 15:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
::Although it's not technically the same thing, I found myself reminded of the climax of the movie ''TimeCop'' while I was adding that to the explanation. I don't think 100% of the matter and antimatter in two opposite-matter people would annihilate when they touch, because the contact surface is indeed quite small, but clarifying that went further into the technical weeds than I wanted to go. When a nuclear weapon goes off, for instance, not all of the fuel is consumed, but that detail is usually overshadowed by the explosion. [[User:Captain Video|Captain Video]] ([[User talk:Captain Video|talk]]) 16:28, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Using "overshadowed" for something accompanied by big amount of gamma radiation is funny. But yes, ANY antimatter annihilates ANY matter and if you touch hand of person from antimatter your hands annihilate but rest of you would likely be thrown in opposite direction and cooked by radiation. Assuming, of course, you are in vacuum, as otherwise either you or him would be annihilated by the (anti)air. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 18:53, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
::::I've removed the stuff about "Dr. Edward Anti-Teller" and added a paragraph about the bad SF about antimatter people. [[User:BunsenH|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH|talk]]) 20:16, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I am skeptical that any joke about "party conversation" is intended. [[User:BunsenH|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH|talk]]) 15:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

It looks like Randall has been exposed to a variant of this myth where bloody mary murders the person saying her name.  This would explain the preceding comic about bloody Mary too: the ghost could be leaping to murder the person incanting their name.  It would be good to add to the article a reference to this interpretation of the myth if anybody is excited about it. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.62.245|162.158.62.245]] 16:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Ooohh, a comic about the same topic as my worldbuildingSE question, nice! https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/q/135950/32102 [[User:Fabian42|Fabian42]] ([[User talk:Fabian42|talk]]) 16:54, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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 Would it be possible to mirror the light particles bouncing off a mirror in an experiment similar to what cueball is trying to do? [[User:Donthaveusername|Donthaveusername]] ([[User talk:Donthaveusername|talk]])
 :Not sure exactly what you are asking, but photons (and gluons, and Z-bosons, and if they exist, presumably gravitons) are their own anti-particle, so photons are the same regardless if the source is matter or antimatter. https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1153 for more info.[[Special:Contributions/173.245.52.187|173.245.52.187]] 04:25, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
-::No, gluons and anti-gluons are distinct and carry different charges. Only particles with no charges can be their own antiparticle.[[Special:Contributions/172.69.33.13|172.69.33.13]] 06:52, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 :I'm also not exactly sure what you mean, but if you're asking about using a mirror to conduct an experiment in reality, the answer is no. Particles in our world will either pass through a mirror or reflect off of it. Either way, they're still in our world. Mirrors are of use when we want to see how reflection works (assuming the mirror reflects the particles concerned). The benefit to enlisting Bloody Mary's help here seems to be that she is located in another location inside or connected to the mirror, which is why she has to perform the measurements; the measurements can't be performed outside her secondary universe. The experiment here confirms whether her universe and our universe work in the same way. [[User:Nathan|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Nathan|talk]]) 06:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 ::I guess what I'm trying to say is like, imagine the image on the mirror, but mirrored onto our side of the mirror, so you get a near 2d hologram. That was a terrible job of explaining, but maybe it offered some insight? [[User:Donthaveusername|Donthaveusername]] ([[User talk:Donthaveusername|talk]])
-:::The mirror of an image in a mirror, is precisely the original object being reflected.  Is this what you mean? Do you mean kinda see only the parts of a person standing in front of a mirror, that are reflected in the mirror?
-What do you imagine this looking like? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.63.50|162.158.63.50]] 23:19, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 : I don't understand physics very well, but my simplistic understanding is that the electric and magnetic field components of the photons that are normal to the surface of the mirror are indeed actually mirrored.  I don't believe the orientation of the photons, like that filtered by 3d glasses to separate the eyes, is mirrored.  I could be wrong.  [[Special:Contributions/162.158.62.245|162.158.62.245]] 16:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 :: The "orientation" you speak about is called polarization and I suspect mirror destroys it. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 18:53, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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 :::Using "overshadowed" for something accompanied by big amount of gamma radiation is funny. But yes, ANY antimatter annihilates ANY matter and if you touch hand of person from antimatter your hands annihilate but rest of you would likely be thrown in opposite direction and cooked by radiation. Assuming, of course, you are in vacuum, as otherwise either you or him would be annihilated by the (anti)air. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 18:53, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 ::::I've removed the stuff about "Dr. Edward Anti-Teller" and added a paragraph about the bad SF about antimatter people. [[User:BunsenH|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH|talk]]) 20:16, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
-:::::Fair enough, but I'll [https://telescoper.wordpress.com/tag/edward-teller/ post it here for posterity]. I first encountered this poem ages ago in a book called ''A Random Walk in Science''. It might be too trivial for the comic explanation, but it always makes me smile. [[User:Captain Video|Captain Video]] ([[User talk:Captain Video|talk]]) 23:19, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
-::::::I remember that book, from my university library. Category: "Science: anecdotes, facetiae, etc.", as I recall, which led me to several other fun books such as ''Worm Runners Digest''.  I still have a few photocopies from them, a few decades later; my M.Sc. supervisor didn't understand them.  The sequel, ''More Random Walks In Science'', begins with a photo of an "impossible" cube.  Nowadays it would be handwaved as a digital fake, but it appeared to be a very-carefully-constructed gimmick physical object. [[User:BunsenH|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH|talk]]) 03:04, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
-::::::: I only just saw this, but: I didn't know there was another book! I'll have to see if I can find a copy. [[User:Captain Video|Captain Video]] ([[User talk:Captain Video|talk]]) 04:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
-:::Timecop wasn't even antimatter, it was (supposedly) the ''same'' matter (which it wouldn't be, with lifetime elemental recycling through most bodily tissues, so it needs a form of Ship Of Theseus teleology built into the universe - close to being a 'soul'-based argument). And... It's been a while since I last saw it (not sure I ever saw the sequel that I expect they made), but didn't it not so much explode the person (both of them, in a laser-guided bit of plot-karma) as kind of mush them into a weird biofractal special-effect? More related to the critically damaged T1000 than anything with an E not far off the mc²ness of total matter-energy conversion. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.153|141.101.99.153]] 22:54, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
-::::I saw it once, about 12 years ago, on VHS, and all I remember is Jean Clade Van Damme saying "same matter cannot occupy same space" as he pushes two copies of the same guy together and they turn into the stuff inside a lava lamp. I'm not exactly jumping at the chance to rewatch it. [[User:Captain Video|Captain Video]] ([[User talk:Captain Video|talk]]) 23:19, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 I am skeptical that any joke about "party conversation" is intended. [[User:BunsenH|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH|talk]]) 15:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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 Ooohh, a comic about the same topic as my worldbuildingSE question, nice! https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/q/135950/32102 [[User:Fabian42|Fabian42]] ([[User talk:Fabian42|talk]]) 16:54, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
-I'm kind of doubtful of the interpretation that Cueball intends to "create a real Bloody Mary on his side of the mirror," since she'd then be in the same universe as he is and would get the same result if she does the same experiment. At the same time, this is one of the perils of having a wiki that exists purely to explain the jokes in a comic strip: The editors might not even agree what the joke ''is.'' I wonder if my childhood self would respect adult me after learning this is what I do with my free time on Saturday nights. [[User:Captain Video|Captain Video]] ([[User talk:Captain Video|talk]]) 23:38, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
-:Saturday nights, Tuesday nights ''and'' Thursday nights... ;) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.154.35|162.158.154.35]] 23:55, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
-:I can't make sense of that interpretation of Cueball's intentions either.  As for what my childhood self would think about my doing stuff like this on a Saturday night... he/I would think it was ''amazingly'' cool.  Writing up interesting explanations of geeky subjects for people who were equally geeky but less well-informed?  Science cartoons?  With computers?  '''So''' cool. [[User:BunsenH|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH|talk]]) 03:04, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
-Am I the only person who saw a Mary / Marie (Curie) pun? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.156.142|172.69.156.142]] 17:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
-Is there any reason to use cobalt over another radioactive element? I recall in the long ago the cobalt bomb was supposed to be a world wrecker. Was there some meaning similar to this that led to its inclusion here?
-[EricB] 19:49, 29 September 2020 (UTC]