Editing Talk:2436: Circles

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AS for the overlapping edits, it is because this just showed up in my RSS reader. I was surprised to see that there wasn't anything written yet. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.206.92|172.68.206.92]] 18:56, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

If Randall was willing to realign the Audi logo, I think he could have stretched the model to accommodate Disney at the 3-ring slot! [[User:Jameslucas|jameslucas]] <small>([[User talk:Jameslucas|" "]] / [[Special:Contributions/Jameslucas|+]])</small> 18:58, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
:Audi's logo has the four circles in a straight line, not staggered (&lt;/pedant&gt;) [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.58|108.162.237.58]] 19:09, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
::If we are being pedantic it was originally the Auto Union logo and Audi was one of the four rings  - along with Horch, DKW and Wanderer. Augustus Horch founded Horch and Audi (horch means hark or listen so translates into Latin as Audi). [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.6|141.101.98.6]] 18:42, 13 March 2021 (UTC) 
:::The same is true for MasterCard - the two circles are not staggered, but "in a straight line" (horizontal, that is) [[User:Mathmannix|Mathmannix]] ([[User talk:Mathmannix|talk]]) 20:15, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
::::Well, being even more pedantic, two circles are always in a straight line, just not necessarily parallel to the reader...[[Special:Contributions/162.158.158.98|162.158.158.98]] 18:54, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::I have added to the explanation that only the olympic is true logo, but MC is just oriented wrong. But Audi's is not like that. It is relevant. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 11:22, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

ER are shared by both halves of the MC logo.  Not AR.  Anyone have another explanation? 
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:I was thinking about this too! Maybe Randall made a mistake, or is it something unexplained? We'll have to wait for an explanation. My bad, I saw wrong. I thought it was between all the logos.[[User:Hiihaveanaccount|Hiihaveanaccount]] ([[User talk:Hiihaveanaccount|talk]]) 20:26, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
::(Why are we (y'all) bullet-indenting?) Though the circles of the "(MAST(ER)CARD)" might well co-share the "ER", assuming that's correct, here the set {M A S T E R} and the set {C A R D} have clearly been put through an (unordered) set-union to highlight the {A R} that are not ''solely'' members of either original set. Don't know why that, in particular. Maybe it just worked better, and mixed things up better than the "(MAST(ER)CARD)" interpretation which doesn't really parody anything in the process... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.158.97|162.158.158.97]] 20:53, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
::::I have removed the bullet editing. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 11:22, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
:::Ok, just checked, and the word(s) "MASTERCARD" do(es) not appear on Mastercard logos any more, ''anyway'', having vanished/been relocated below the circles in various stages of cosmetic rebranding between 2006 and 2016. So "(ER)" enclosure wouldn't be strictly true for a number of years. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.158.97|162.158.158.97]] 21:00, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
::::Well, the AR completes both the MSTE and the CD (ie, MasteR CarD)... as I expect one of the previous commenters was getting at. Perhaps it is a riff on picture in as much as AR completes MASTERCARD just as MASTERCARD's circles Complete Audi's circles... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.41|162.158.75.41]] 05:03, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh no Randall, please don't turn me into an oversimplified logo! Noooooooo! {{unsigned ip|141.101.99.109}}

This bugs me more than any other xkcd comic, I could see the mastercard circles being tilted and still in a straight line, but then the Audi logo should be the same: straight line, but they line up to form the actual Olympic ring configuration giving preference to that logo... then there's the color, it would make me happy if the colors lined up with the actual Mastercard colors but they don't... so I don't know why I'm complaining here, probably because Randall doesn't have an actual comment system, so, sorry.... carry on with your day! [[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.40|162.158.75.40]] 15:11, 13 March 2021 (UTC) Sam
:It is because it is only the number of overlapping circles the diagram takes into account not their geometry. Just as the title text only takes the letters into account, not the words they are forming. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 11:22, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Should the current Audi logo box be a totally empty square? Reloaded several times, there's nothing in there. The other boxes all have pictures in them. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.250.105|108.162.250.105]] 09:02, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
:Looks OK here. And ''should'' be far simpler SVG than the historic logo's shading/etc. But maybe it's slightly newer SVG doctype (would need to read its source, to be sure, and this browser has recently removed its original view-source: method so I'd have to switch machines) or inadvertently use a fancier dialect that your browser refuses to render. (If 'current logo' is not actually just five flat, black rings, then maybe ''my'' browser is lagging, too, but differently. ...but then, do you have a 'dark' theme? Black rings on black (through transparency) background, thus apparently blank? A possibility, perhaps... [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.207|141.101.99.207]] 17:37, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
:::OK, have checked, and current logo is ''absurdly'' simple (in one 'element' it moves focus and draws four rings! in black!) while the prior logo's SVG actually failed to load (rendering in full-screen, the gradient-shaded components appear with much lag) for reasons not understood if it wasn't file-size issues (doubt it). I'm still leaning towards dark-theme confusion, then. If it aint that, I'm stumped. But its the only obvious thing to me right now, so I'll leave further resolution to when future details can be given. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.22|141.101.98.22]] 18:04, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
::::I've seen the images fail to load occasionally (not just the Audi one; I think I saw the old mastercard logo do it too).  {{Purge|Purging}} the page cache fixed it for me.  I'm not entirely sure what causes it though. --[[User:Pokechu22|Pokechu22]] ([[User talk:Pokechu22|talk]]) 18:06, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::I've never seen images (on-site, or those WikiCommons logos) fail to load. Except when the whole page failed to load, or the site .css failed to load and 'flavour' images (presumably) featured as a style element may have been absent due to this, as well as all the normal layout of elements. Interestingly the Current Audi has a handful of lines in its source, while I actually manually crashed my browser when I looked at the Old Audi one in source-mode ('original file', rather than the downsized one that the Gallery probably loads) and it got past thirty-eight ''thousand'' lines of polygon/etc with no close-SVG tag in sight. So much for vector-graphics for simplification and portability. (Mind you, it seemed to be auto-generated by a conversion utility. I could probably have hand-coded a near-identical output with actual intelligent thought put into optimising it.) That said 'web standards' is still a bit of an oxymoron at times, almost as much as it was during the era of "Netscape Unfriendly" pages, despite everything. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.108|141.101.98.108]] 01:08, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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 Oh no Randall, please don't turn me into an oversimplified logo! Noooooooo! {{unsigned ip|141.101.99.109}}
-I checked the overlap of the circles with the official olympian logo. It's correct. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.111.125|162.158.111.125]] 12:47, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 This bugs me more than any other xkcd comic, I could see the mastercard circles being tilted and still in a straight line, but then the Audi logo should be the same: straight line, but they line up to form the actual Olympic ring configuration giving preference to that logo... then there's the color, it would make me happy if the colors lined up with the actual Mastercard colors but they don't... so I don't know why I'm complaining here, probably because Randall doesn't have an actual comment system, so, sorry.... carry on with your day! [[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.40|162.158.75.40]] 15:11, 13 March 2021 (UTC) Sam
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 ::::I've seen the images fail to load occasionally (not just the Audi one; I think I saw the old mastercard logo do it too).  {{Purge|Purging}} the page cache fixed it for me.  I'm not entirely sure what causes it though. --[[User:Pokechu22|Pokechu22]] ([[User talk:Pokechu22|talk]]) 18:06, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 :::::I've never seen images (on-site, or those WikiCommons logos) fail to load. Except when the whole page failed to load, or the site .css failed to load and 'flavour' images (presumably) featured as a style element may have been absent due to this, as well as all the normal layout of elements. Interestingly the Current Audi has a handful of lines in its source, while I actually manually crashed my browser when I looked at the Old Audi one in source-mode ('original file', rather than the downsized one that the Gallery probably loads) and it got past thirty-eight ''thousand'' lines of polygon/etc with no close-SVG tag in sight. So much for vector-graphics for simplification and portability. (Mind you, it seemed to be auto-generated by a conversion utility. I could probably have hand-coded a near-identical output with actual intelligent thought put into optimising it.) That said 'web standards' is still a bit of an oxymoron at times, almost as much as it was during the era of "Netscape Unfriendly" pages, despite everything. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.108|141.101.98.108]] 01:08, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
-==The missing item in the progression==
-There's an absolutely obvious configuration of three circles that is very recognisable as one of the logos of a popular American media company, as the three overlapping circles are a stylised representation of probably the most famous animated character in the media company's output. Could there be trademark issues why Randall did not use it?  Come to think of it, the AT&T 'Death Star'/Konica Minolta logo could be the first element of the series...
-[[Special:Contributions/162.158.134.84|162.158.134.84]] 20:54, 16 March 2021 (UTC)