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Do we really need a huge paragraph explaining all the reasons why any damage to a space telescope is a big, expensive deal? And I'm not sure this is a trial, it's probably more like an administrative panel hearing (like the hearings after the Challenger disaster). [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 14:26, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
Do we really need a huge paragraph explaining all the reasons why any damage to a space telescope is a big, expensive deal? And I'm not sure this is a trial, it's probably more like an administrative panel hearing (like the hearings after the Challenger disaster). [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 14:26, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
  
:I agree. A hearing fits the lighthearted tone better, the drawing which doesn't look at all like a courtroom, and...well, realism, as irrelevant as that may be for this scenario :) Since nobody has objected to the idea since you posted this, I'll go ahead and change it. [[User:Jerodast|- jerodast]] ([[User talk:Jerodast|talk]]) 07:06, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
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== Giant comic ==
  
 
Is it meant to be that size? Does the bad luck apply to trying to upload comics at reasonable sizes?  
 
Is it meant to be that size? Does the bad luck apply to trying to upload comics at reasonable sizes?  
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:Randall has now uploaded an even smaller resolution image of 289 × 323 ([https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/hammer_incident.png]), and I have added it to this comic explanation. [[User:Natg19|Natg19]] ([[User talk:Natg19|talk]]) 17:15, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
:Randall has now uploaded an even smaller resolution image of 289 × 323 ([https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/hammer_incident.png]), and I have added it to this comic explanation. [[User:Natg19|Natg19]] ([[User talk:Natg19|talk]]) 17:15, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
  
:Perhaps this should be referred to as the Thumbnail Incident. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.174.26|172.68.174.26]] 00:06, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
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== inspiration ==
 
 
  
 
When I read this comic I was worried it might have been inspired by recent news of something breaking during the final assembly process. Fortunately this seems not to be the case. Among the many delays of the telescope, were any of them caused by mirror and/or cryo failures that might have inspired this comic? [[User:Quantum7|Quantum7]] ([[User talk:Quantum7|talk]]) 05:53, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
When I read this comic I was worried it might have been inspired by recent news of something breaking during the final assembly process. Fortunately this seems not to be the case. Among the many delays of the telescope, were any of them caused by mirror and/or cryo failures that might have inspired this comic? [[User:Quantum7|Quantum7]] ([[User talk:Quantum7|talk]]) 05:53, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
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:I was also worried and figured explainxkcd would tell if there had been any real issues. [[User:Mikemk|Mikemk]] ([[User talk:Mikemk|talk]]) 17:26, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
:I was also worried and figured explainxkcd would tell if there had been any real issues. [[User:Mikemk|Mikemk]] ([[User talk:Mikemk|talk]]) 17:26, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
  
;Cryogenic?
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== Cryogenic? ==
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I get the sense that the title text is inspired by liquid nitrogen ice cream. -- [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.252|108.162.237.252]] 13:14, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
I get the sense that the title text is inspired by liquid nitrogen ice cream. -- [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.252|108.162.237.252]] 13:14, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
:The tern Cryogenic is often used to refer to Cryonics. A method of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryonics preserving human bodies in glass] for future generations [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.46|108.162.237.46]] 20:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
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::Vitrification is not cryonics/cryogenics in itself, just one method of crystal-aversion during freezing (and, it seems, could be just as damaging to the fine biology it tries to preserve), and the cryonic meaning is a subset of a whole range of "making an amorphous solid" processes that are also vitrification, such as in nuclear-waste processing.
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  The tern Cryogenic is often used to refer to Cryonics. A method of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryonics preserving human bodies in glass] for future generations [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.46|108.162.237.46]] 20:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
::Cryogenics is 'the creation/use of extreme coldness' (<120°K) and Cryonics is just one of a subset (via more general cryopreservation) of applications of such technology and processes.
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== Actual hammering applied to JWST ==
::While interesting general knowledge remains interesting, I'm not sure either term is worth having been given such a contextless mention, above, not at all hinted at being deliberately referenced by the comic. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.6|141.101.98.6]] 18:29, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 
  
 
As Quantum7, I was worried too and googled "JWST hammer" only to find this actual contributor to the project…
 
As Quantum7, I was worried too and googled "JWST hammer" only to find this actual contributor to the project…
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Not all JWST-engineering seams to be that delicate – should we be worried? {{unsigned|162.158.203.15}}
 
Not all JWST-engineering seams to be that delicate – should we be worried? {{unsigned|162.158.203.15}}
  
 
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== Amount of gold ==
 
The James Webb Telescope only has <$2000 of gold. [[https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/04/05/how-much-gold-is-in-the-james-webb-space-telescope/?sh=4f80bc9d69e5]] {{unsigned|172.68.189.191}}
 
The James Webb Telescope only has <$2000 of gold. [[https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/04/05/how-much-gold-is-in-the-james-webb-space-telescope/?sh=4f80bc9d69e5]] {{unsigned|172.68.189.191}}
 
:Yeah, I'm going to remove the gold thing. It's a complete red herring. The materials represent such a tiny fraction of the cost of coating a mirror that it's not even worth mentioning. Coating a mirror with aluminum or protected silver costs virtually the same as coating it in gold. The fact that the mirrors are made from beryllium is a much larger factor in the cost. [[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User talk:Ahecht|talk]]) 16:37, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
:Yeah, I'm going to remove the gold thing. It's a complete red herring. The materials represent such a tiny fraction of the cost of coating a mirror that it's not even worth mentioning. Coating a mirror with aluminum or protected silver costs virtually the same as coating it in gold. The fact that the mirrors are made from beryllium is a much larger factor in the cost. [[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User talk:Ahecht|talk]]) 16:37, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
:Incidentally, given some of the folk-head-canon for vampiric non-reflections in mirrors is due to the more mystical properties of silver (which crosses over with werewolf-lore, etc, and these days carries over to an inability to be captured on photographic film), imma gonna assume vampires would actually have an image if they looked in the JWST mirror(s). [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.108|141.101.98.108]] 18:58, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
:Incidentally, given some of the folk-head-canon for vampiric non-reflections in mirrors is due to the more mystical properties of silver (which crosses over with werewolf-lore, etc, and these days carries over to an inability to be captured on photographic film), imma gonna assume vampires would actually have an image if they looked in the JWST mirror(s). [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.108|141.101.98.108]] 18:58, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
::I wouldn't describe the past of using photographic films as "these days". I suppose vampires can be filmed by digital cameras just fine. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 22:43, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
::I wouldn't describe the past of using photographic films as "these days". I suppose vampires can be filmed by digital cameras just fine. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 22:43, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
:::Depends. A DigitalSLR might still give various problems. Though unless the Metal Oxide in the MOS element or any of the colour-filtering involved is part silver, as would affect even 'live-view' viewfinding, it wouldn't stop recording of silver-inhibited imagery.
 
:::(It makes you wonder if a part-silvered USB connector would be enough to make files of ''successfully'' recorded vampire activity to be automagically refiltered to show an 'empty' scene. In fact, if such a connector is rare enough, but can be invoked, it suggests a form of steganography in which you send 'innocent' images of a cooperative vampire directly standing in front of the secret information, in a suitably social context as to raise no suspicions. Only if you save the public image from Facebook (or OnlyFan(g)s??) then transfer it through your specially-silvered silver USB cable, the copy now shows you the mystically-'unobscured' pixels of the secret info. Right? Because magic can get around trivial stuff like bitplane (re)compression, smooth out any copy-verification/hashing mismatches, and otherwise prevent mugglishly-mundane issues from arising, obviously!) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.6|141.101.98.6]] 18:29, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 
 
Would it count as bad luck if he has to pay for all the repairs to his damage of the space telescope? [[User:Nutster|Nutster]] ([[User talk:Nutster|talk]]) 03:10, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 
 
Would have been funnier if it was 126 years of bad luck.
 
[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([[User talk:DrBob|talk]]) 12:56, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 
 
There probably should be a category for "review boards" or something, since there's now this comic strip, [[2349: Rabbit Introduction]], and [[2148: Cubesat Launch]] (at least).  --[[User:NotaBene|NotaBene]] ([[User talk:NotaBene|talk]]) 15:15, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 
 
I just want to congratulate whomever added that {{Citation needed}} after the comment about human lives. That is easily the funniest use of it that I've seen in a very long time if not ever. [[User:Cwallenpoole|Cwallenpoole]] ([[User talk:Cwallenpoole|talk]]) 14:24, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 

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