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| As of this writing, this page is missing the "next" link, even though 2,501 is already out. I'm not quite sure how to fix this, can someone who knows how do it? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.73|172.70.114.73]] 00:59, 12 August 2021 (UTC) | | As of this writing, this page is missing the "next" link, even though 2,501 is already out. I'm not quite sure how to fix this, can someone who knows how do it? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.73|172.70.114.73]] 00:59, 12 August 2021 (UTC) |
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− | == Exxon document == | + | == Exxon document validity citation? == |
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| Does anyone have a citation confirming that the Exxon document actually came from Exxon? The best I've been able to find is https://insideclimatenews.org/news/16092015/exxons-own-research-confirmed-fossil-fuels-role-in-global-warming/ but I've not found anything proving that someone didn't simply create a document that looked as if it was written in 1982... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.106.179|162.158.106.179]] 18:26, 27 August 2021 (UTC) | | Does anyone have a citation confirming that the Exxon document actually came from Exxon? The best I've been able to find is https://insideclimatenews.org/news/16092015/exxons-own-research-confirmed-fossil-fuels-role-in-global-warming/ but I've not found anything proving that someone didn't simply create a document that looked as if it was written in 1982... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.106.179|162.158.106.179]] 18:26, 27 August 2021 (UTC) |
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− | So, when it comes to choosing which side of a conspiracy to believe, I try and start with something basic, like: "What's more likely? The biggest corporation in the world illegally lied about the harms of their product, in order to make money? Or an award-winning investigative outlet ran with a fabricated document, and the accused never made a stink about that?"
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− | '''I'd encourage anyone to read through the entire InsideClimate News series - [https://insideclimatenews.org/project/exxon-the-road-not-taken/ Exxon: The Road Not Taken] - it is extremely well-done and eye-opening.''' As your link above notes, a lot of these documents got dumped in archives at universities and other science/engineering academies.
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− | The entire Exxon internal report that the document/this comic comes from is here: [http://www.davidappell.com/ECS_articles/1982_Exxon_Primer_on_CO2_Greenhouse_Effect.pdf]
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− | You can also see a freshman congresswoman running a fantastic hearing with the scientists who worked on these reports here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqywSUFPc8s] [[Special:Contributions/172.68.132.194|172.68.132.194]] 15:40, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
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− | :The hearing is exactly what I was hoping for, thank you! Good point about Exxon not raising a stink as well. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.241.143|108.162.241.143]] 22:31, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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− | Wow, it's insane how much temperatures have risen over the course of just 40 years. <span style="text-shadow:0 0 6px black">[[User:Beanie|<span style="font-size:11pt;color:#dddddd">Beanie</span>]]</span> <sup><span style="text-shadow:0 0 3px #000000">[[User talk:Beanie|<span style="font-size:8pt;color:#dddddd">talk</span>]]</span></sup> 18:42, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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− | :Yeah, not rising noticeably at all is pretty insane {{unsigned ip|172.70.54.133}}
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− | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CW28xLCWsAE-FZt?format=png&name=small
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− | https://149366104.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/josh_uncomfortable_pause.jpg
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− | https://149366104.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/earth_timeline2.jpg
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− | :^^^--- These three links originally top-posted, unsigned, by the same person who also didn't know/want to sign as follows ---vvv
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− | {{unsigned ip|172.70.54.133}} {{unsigned ip|172.70.82.3}} {{unsigned ip|172.70.254.121}}
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− | :Interesting. I particularly like how, in the third one, the extreme change of immediate history is shown and ''then'' random "it aint that bad" 'future' lines are drawn randomly downwards that bear no relationship to the current vector. Not exactly convincing. Should have fiddled the data better to fit the pseudoplagiarisric results intended.
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− | :But good for a laugh. Just try to add your jokes properly next time. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.159.27|162.158.159.27]] 21:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
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− | ::How do you figure? They fit the current vector fine, by being equally likely to go up as down, just like the recent temperature variations immediately before the predictions. {{unsigned ip|172.70.54.133}}
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− | :::(Do learn to sign. Just use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to do so. Simple enough.)
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− | :::Note the jagged rapid warming of the modern era. (Note the original comic's visual explanation of the pre-modern reconstructed line maybe fluctuating, but not by that much in that fashion, though this version of the comic decides not to bother explaining that at all, throwing other artistic choices of how to interpret the data into doubt too.) Then note that the cascading sprinkle of 'predictions' is emphatically drawn to emphasise ''cooling'' from the present (perhaps also the end of the solid line deliberately bent to become 'steady' in the last few years, contrary to actual readings), where even the most optomistic credible current projections put the mid-point likelihood into positive change for the immediate future while we try to mitigate our worse excesses.
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− | :::It has all the hallmarks of a pure denialist construct, which I totally understand though don't agree with, but sloppily done if the new artist actually wants to persuade anybody who isn't already looking to be contrarian to the widespread view - for whatever reasons. Interesting. I'm sad that some people might not notice the flaws, but many of those wouldn't be swayed by a more competent and accurate version anyway. I don't see much value in arguing it, but you at least deserve to know (some of) what I think is wrong with that piece. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.136|172.70.91.136]] 09:03, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
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