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I'm not sure the current explanation, that the newscaster believed the biblical quote by mistake, is necessarily the correct one. The way I read this, as someday it should happen that the events described in Revelation REALLY DO START TO OCCUR, there will still be newsies who entirely miss the point, and keep producing random oblivious clickbait stories by 'interviewing' random twitter users. Alternately, if modern-day newscasters traveled back in time, to when the original Revelation was actually recieved and written, the same oblivious quoting without context could also occur. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.97|172.70.178.97]] 07:42, 7 September 2021 (UTC) | I'm not sure the current explanation, that the newscaster believed the biblical quote by mistake, is necessarily the correct one. The way I read this, as someday it should happen that the events described in Revelation REALLY DO START TO OCCUR, there will still be newsies who entirely miss the point, and keep producing random oblivious clickbait stories by 'interviewing' random twitter users. Alternately, if modern-day newscasters traveled back in time, to when the original Revelation was actually recieved and written, the same oblivious quoting without context could also occur. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.97|172.70.178.97]] 07:42, 7 September 2021 (UTC) | ||
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: This assumes that the cartoonist would agree with your viewpoint of the book of Revelation. Randall Munroe, who is the cartoonist, is probably not going to ever produce a Cartoon which suggests that the events in that book will actually occur at some future date. The use of eisegesis instead of exegesis produces nonsense in the analysis of any document whether it be one written about 1900 years ago or a digital caroton made this month. For the record, I believe in the authenticity of the Bible and am a believer in the deity of the One who was called Jesus of Nazareth. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.21|108.162.237.21]] 22:04, 7 September 2021 (UTC) | : This assumes that the cartoonist would agree with your viewpoint of the book of Revelation. Randall Munroe, who is the cartoonist, is probably not going to ever produce a Cartoon which suggests that the events in that book will actually occur at some future date. The use of eisegesis instead of exegesis produces nonsense in the analysis of any document whether it be one written about 1900 years ago or a digital caroton made this month. For the record, I believe in the authenticity of the Bible and am a believer in the deity of the One who was called Jesus of Nazareth. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.21|108.162.237.21]] 22:04, 7 September 2021 (UTC) | ||
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:: Doesn't even necessarily have to be the 'real' events of revelation: even if there were just COINCIDENTALLY a series of major disasters that caused an earthquake, a blacked-out sun, and a blood-red moon, and people named John started tweeting that quote as a literary reference, news organizations asking if they could repost it would still be really, really tone-deaf. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.130.211|172.70.130.211]] 00:13, 8 September 2021 (UTC) | :: Doesn't even necessarily have to be the 'real' events of revelation: even if there were just COINCIDENTALLY a series of major disasters that caused an earthquake, a blacked-out sun, and a blood-red moon, and people named John started tweeting that quote as a literary reference, news organizations asking if they could repost it would still be really, really tone-deaf. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.130.211|172.70.130.211]] 00:13, 8 September 2021 (UTC) | ||
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− | + | : “when the original Revelation was actually made up and written” FTFY. (unsigned comment, I think they are upset the information is missing) | |
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− | + | : I don't see why Randall wouldn't consider a huge Biblical-like event to happen. He's made comics about AI. I wouldn't expect him to assume other religious beliefs, but people sometimes think something could be coming. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.171|172.70.110.171]] 14:01, 8 September 2021 (UTC) | |
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+ | I agree.[[User:1337-PI|1337-PI]] ([[User talk:1337-PI|talk]]) 09:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC) | ||
My interpretation was suppose Twitter was available during biblical times, and the author of the Book of Revelation chose to release his writings in that media vs. as a book. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.149|172.70.178.149]] 11:29, 7 September 2021 (UTC)Pat | My interpretation was suppose Twitter was available during biblical times, and the author of the Book of Revelation chose to release his writings in that media vs. as a book. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.149|172.70.178.149]] 11:29, 7 September 2021 (UTC)Pat | ||
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:Hmm surely the mouse-over (caption) should have ended: "... as if the scroll were infinite" ? | :Hmm surely the mouse-over (caption) should have ended: "... as if the scroll were infinite" ? | ||
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− | + | ::"scroll" is singular, why would you use the plural "were"? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.149|172.70.178.149]] 16:15, 8 September 2021 (UTC) | |
− | + | :::"were" is also the past subjunctive, used for both singular and plural. | |
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I think the current explanation generally gets it, but it has a lot of implicit assumption about the interpretation of Revelation by referring to it as a prophesy of literal apocalyptic events. Not only is it unlikely that the language was meant to be literal (it was probably purposefully allegorical so contemporary Christians could read it without incensing the Roman authorities), there is a prominent school of thought within Christianity that Revelation refers to events that happened in shortly after its writing in the first century (the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD, for example). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism [[Special:Contributions/172.70.34.191|172.70.34.191]] 21:48, 8 September 2021 (UTC) | I think the current explanation generally gets it, but it has a lot of implicit assumption about the interpretation of Revelation by referring to it as a prophesy of literal apocalyptic events. Not only is it unlikely that the language was meant to be literal (it was probably purposefully allegorical so contemporary Christians could read it without incensing the Roman authorities), there is a prominent school of thought within Christianity that Revelation refers to events that happened in shortly after its writing in the first century (the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD, for example). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism [[Special:Contributions/172.70.34.191|172.70.34.191]] 21:48, 8 September 2021 (UTC) | ||
I liked the original four lines so much more. This is now just overexplaining the cartoon with absurd theories. John is a general placeholder name. The link to the biblical character is nice, but rather as a coincidence than an explanation. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.94.91|162.158.94.91]] 06:21, 9 September 2021 (UTC) | I liked the original four lines so much more. This is now just overexplaining the cartoon with absurd theories. John is a general placeholder name. The link to the biblical character is nice, but rather as a coincidence than an explanation. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.94.91|162.158.94.91]] 06:21, 9 September 2021 (UTC) | ||
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