Editing Talk:2604: Frankenstein Captcha

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Don't forget it's canon the Frankenstein is the name of the Monster https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1589:_Frankenstein

The other squares contain things that might also be ambiguously named:  

There is tortoise/turtle    ship/boat/yacht  monster   Napolean/Nelson

puddle/pond/lake  girl/woman  magma/lava squash/pumpkin/gourd/..

Frankenstein (sandwich?) (stop sign?) monster

Rocket/spaceship(Or planet/dwarf planet?) (couple?) (traffic light?) monster.

I can't think of any other term for the sandwich, the couple, or the traffic signals. Are these a call back to the self driving car captcha  https://xkcd.com/1897/

[[Special:Contributions/162.158.159.125|162.158.159.125]] 16:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

:That's neither Nelson nor Napoleon but rather Link from the Legend of Zelda series. He has the shield with a Triforce symbol on it, the hat that's pointed in the back, and a sword that's surprisingly recognizable as the Master Sword despite xkcd's low detail art style. 
[[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.43|108.162.245.43]] 16:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

I suspect some of the other squares are common “well-actually” topics, eg. a pumpkin/squash is actually a fruit. The “puddle” is a mirage. Row 2 column 2 has a 9 drawn in their hair… a Franken-nine? — Alex

--[[Special:Contributions/162.158.2.23|162.158.2.23]] 16:38, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

The astronomical body might be a meteoroid? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.77|172.70.114.77]] 16:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Oh wait, missed the heart crater. nvm that's gotta be Pluto [[Special:Contributions/172.70.230.75|172.70.230.75]] 16:57, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

The sandwich is probably due to pedantry over 'is [x] a sandwich' debates. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.250.67|172.70.250.67]] 17:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC) 
:In that case, it should have been a hot dog.  ;D   
:[[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 17:09, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Seems likely. Also reminds me of https://xkcd.com/2301/ [[Special:Contributions/172.70.134.237|172.70.134.237]] 17:18, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Could the lake/pond tile actually be a fata morgana - given the desert setting implied by the sun and the pyramids? [[User:Captain Nemo|Captain Nemo]] ([[User talk:Captain Nemo|talk]]) 17:13, 8 April 2022 (UTC) 
:What lake/pond? There is no water there, man. I think you're just seeing an illusion, created by heat ripples in the air.  (I'm kidding; just trying to keep up the "mirage".) 
:[[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 17:24, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

The current explanation does not mention the Title Text, nor does it explain the paraphrased quote. I believe the original quote mentions "a line in the sand"? <br /> 
[[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 17:11, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

:There's also the classic turn of phrase "There's a thin line between ConceptA and ConceptB" which is what I thought of when I read that. [[User:MAP|MAP]] ([[User talk:MAP|talk]]) 19:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

#a tomato is the gold standard for uncertainty in pronunciation
#the sandwich's definition is both precise and vague: nerd fight! Hotdog? Burrito? Pizza? Doughnut?
#in the 1931 the little girl does not run away but is, er, cared for by the monster. the flower is not pictured. --[[User:Misterstick|Misterstick]] ([[User talk:Misterstick|talk]]) 17:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

What if the planet ''contains'' Frankenstein (either the monster or the doctor) and you just can't tell at this resolution??! 19:51, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:The planet also might be ''named'' Frankenstein. Or an asteroid. There isn't one yet, but maybe in the future?
:[https://space.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_named_asteroids_(F-K)#Fr Closest match for name] is "10246 Frankenwald"

A bit disappointed Randall didn't take the opportunity to include the 1972 Edgar Winter Group album "They Only Come Out at Night", which contains the track "Frankenstein." [[Special:Contributions/172.70.131.176|172.70.131.176]] 18:51, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

The turtle may be a reference to "turtle rifle", a series of GAN exercises resulting in producing objects that neural networks recognize as something completely else. A famous one was a turtle-shaped toy, which looked quite like a normal turtle to a human eye, but a characteristic pattern on its shell made neural networks to classify it as a rifle.

Based on the standard levels of pedantry, I am surprised that no-one yet has pointed out that we are not supposed to click on ONLY the correct images. Taking the union of both Frankenstein sets should then be accepted (unless we faced union-bashers in the Frankenstein-basher crowd).
:The instructions use standard CAPTCHA language, "only" is understood (otherwise a bot could just click all boxes and the test would be defeated). [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 22:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

But I saw no picture of a [https://reddwarf.fandom.com/wiki/Frankenstein cat]... [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.44|172.70.86.44]] 22:25, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Also, in my experience, CAPTCHAs that ask for "Click all squares with <whatever>" on a non-refreshing grid of otherwise independent images - which I often-enough encounter in this very site - tend to assume exactly three squares are correct. (e.g. it asks for "all tractors", and there are two tractors and some non-tractor vehicle like a road-roller, then it doesn't matter if *I* think that's not actually a tractor, it won't let me past until I've clicked the road-roller). The rules are different for refreshing images (click an image's square, it presents a new image, until eventually every square that had previously been one-or-more picture(s) of the target-type are now all irrelevent to click) or a gridded single-scene (I haven't worked that one out fully... if it's asking for Traffic Lights, do I just need to do the squares ''entirely'' containing such light units/only those with the 'light' part of the units/every single square with even the barest edge of the frame around the lights/all squares even with just the poles/wires suspending the lights up off the ground... sometimes it seems to like what I do, sometimes it retests me, and I don't know if it's unhappy with my choice or so absolutely happy with my choice that it desperately wants me to help the Algorithm just that little bit more). '''*cough*''' Anyway. What I'm saying is, if I was seriously trying to answer this comic's example, I'd be looking for exactly three Frankenstein squares of one (dubious) kind or another. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.44|172.70.86.44]] 22:25, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:I've seen plenty of this type of CAPTCHA with fewer than 3 correct tiles. Unless I'm not human enough to recognize all the matches.... [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 22:29, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:I think you both just proved you are robots. Humans are too dumb to do this level of analysis. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.241.9|108.162.241.9]] 03:04, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

"Knowledge is Knowing Frankenstein isn’t the Monster, Wisdom is Knowing Frankenstein is the Monster" - https://commons.emich.edu/ac/vol3/iss1/4/ [[Special:Contributions/108.162.241.9|108.162.241.9]] 02:56, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

*I have to mention the "lost ending" of ''Frankenstein'' which is found at https://imgur.com/gallery/bCGEw . --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.130.125|172.70.130.125]] 03:36, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

May be worth noting that the traffic light's three coloured circles are all shaded black. In some countries (I know I've seen someone I trust saying it's true in the USA and UK), the law specifies that you must treat a broken traffic light (or one which you reasonably believe to be broken; such as if it's not lit up) as a stop sign. Does this mean you'd click it in a CAPTCHA that asks for stop signs? [[User:Angel|Angel]] ([[User talk:Angel|talk]]) 09:04, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

I was today years old when I learned that "ship" and "boat" aren't literally interchangeable like "eggplant" and "aubergine". [[Special:Contributions/172.70.131.216|172.70.131.216]] 09:22, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
:The way I understood it is that a ship carries boats – think of a cruise liner or cargo ship with lifeboats, or a naval vessel with longboats or the captain's gig – but a boat, like a rowboat, speedboat, or personal watercraft, does not. [[User:RAGBRAIvet|RAGBRAIvet]] ([[User talk:RAGBRAIvet|talk]]) 16:26, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
::I learned it as being that a ship needs somewhere proper to land (like a pier or a proper dock), while a boat you can bring close enough to the shore and jump off; or run it up the beach. Guess people have different definitions. [[User:Angel|Angel]] ([[User talk:Angel|talk]]) 17:57, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
:Ask yourself this: If the person in charge of that vessel told me to call him Captain, would I think he was a pretentious ass? If no, it's a ship.[[Special:Contributions/108.162.238.150|108.162.238.150]] 18:14, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I wonder if any of those vegetables would count as "Frankenstein foods". --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.211|172.70.85.211]] 13:38, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
:That was my initial assumption when I saw it (on my phone) and couldn't tell what they were [[User:Angel|Angel]] ([[User talk:Angel|talk]]) 17:57, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Some other possible things that could be on such a Captcha: Big Ben (a bell inside Elizabeth Tower), Metroid (an alien creature that the bounty hunter Samus repeatedly encountered), and the Pink Panther (a stolen diamond pursued by Inspector Clouseau).[[Special:Contributions/172.70.135.32|172.70.135.32]] 20:38, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Hang on...a tiled-image CAPTCHA has no 'correct' answer? How am I just hearing this now? [[User:Yorkshire Pudding|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding|talk]]) 21:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

I see an octagon containing STOP, but no square containing FRANKENSTEIN. I think that makes this particular captcha unsolvable. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|talk]]) 01:01, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I have to suggest an alternate interpretation: CAPTCHAs are used as a way to provide sample data for machine learning AI. A situation like in the comic implies that there is a reason that an AI would need to be trained to recognise Frankenstein (presumably the monster), perhaps because he's real and on the loose, hence the dread. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.34.84|172.69.34.84]] 06:47, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Really dark take: the people are all part of Frankenstein, it's just that their pictures were taken before their deaths. --[[User:Vdizz|Vdizz]] ([[User talk:Vdizz|talk]]) 05:08, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

== GPT-3's opinion ==

I just asked OpenAI's latest GPT-3 model at https://beta.openai.com/playground with default settings thusly:

:;What does Frankenstein look like?

:Frankenstein is a large, muscular creature with green skin and long, black hair. He has large, white eyes and a flat, square head. His mouth is large and filled with sharp teeth. He has long, powerful arms and legs.

:;What does Victor Frankenstein look like?

:Victor Frankenstein is a tall, thin man with dark hair and eyes. He is very intelligent and has a strong interest in science.

So the point of this is that if you spend millions of dollars to train an English language interaction model based on the authoritative texts available to contemporary venture capitalists, "Frankenstein" is considered to be the monster, not its creator.

Note you can't really do this kind of instant inquiry with Google Trends or Google Books Ngrams. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.33.145|172.69.33.145]] 03:59, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Don't forget that in certain regions (well, maybe just South Africa) a stoplight is called a robot. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.68.202|172.69.68.202]] 15:23, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
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 :I've seen plenty of this type of CAPTCHA with fewer than 3 correct tiles. Unless I'm not human enough to recognize all the matches.... [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 22:29, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 :I think you both just proved you are robots. Humans are too dumb to do this level of analysis. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.241.9|108.162.241.9]] 03:04, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
-:My (limited) experience with CAPTCHA is it doesn't matter what tiles you click, as long as you don't take too long to finish.(which can happen if you spend a lot of time squinting at the images or pondering semantical variations)[[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.33|172.70.178.33]] 23:29, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 "Knowledge is Knowing Frankenstein isn’t the Monster, Wisdom is Knowing Frankenstein is the Monster" - https://commons.emich.edu/ac/vol3/iss1/4/ [[Special:Contributions/108.162.241.9|108.162.241.9]] 02:56, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
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 I have to suggest an alternate interpretation: CAPTCHAs are used as a way to provide sample data for machine learning AI. A situation like in the comic implies that there is a reason that an AI would need to be trained to recognise Frankenstein (presumably the monster), perhaps because he's real and on the loose, hence the dread. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.34.84|172.69.34.84]] 06:47, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
-:I am amused by this possibility. It also plays on the term CAPTCHA by suggesting that the monster is on the loose and needs to be CAPTURED.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.33|172.70.178.33]] 23:29, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 Really dark take: the people are all part of Frankenstein, it's just that their pictures were taken before their deaths. --[[User:Vdizz|Vdizz]] ([[User talk:Vdizz|talk]]) 05:08, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
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 Don't forget that in certain regions (well, maybe just South Africa) a stoplight is called a robot. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.68.202|172.69.68.202]] 15:23, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
-[[1263: Reassuring]]. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.132.206|172.68.132.206]] 04:39, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
-I am so amazingly disappointed that one of the captcha images is not a treacherous depiction of a pipe. {{unsigned}}
-:"Ceci n'est pas un canal de communication FIFO simplex"? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.36|172.70.91.36]] 20:02, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
-isn't it referencing things that have been named after or called Frankenstein (a turtle, an heirloom tomato variety, a sandwich, a hairstyle, etc.)?
-[[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.9|108.162.237.9]] 21:54, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
-Hmm... "(That's not a thing even though the surrounding text written by same author is accurate. I don't doubt the person who wrote it thinks this about normal captchas, but even sophisticated users do not, and likely won't fail a single captcha by not doing this.)", to explain one particular [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2604:_Frankenstein_Captcha&curid=25132&diff=264841&oldid=264431 (de-)edit]. I didn't write that bit, but I ''did'' write the "Also, in my experience, CAPTCHAs that ask for..." further up this Talk page, and as such I found it a reasonable interpretation of my experience. Not going to reinstate it, but just want to register my resemblence to the remark. Carry on, though... As you were... [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.211|172.70.85.211]] 06:03, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
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-Captcha looks like the reverse of 4 pics 1 word. Sorry, I can't create talk pages, so could you help move this line to the Category:CAPTCHA talk page? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.135.43|172.69.135.43]] 00:53, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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-I'm beginning to think all of the cells could be considered to be Frankensteins (and/or creations of Frankenstein): e.g. the Turtle/Tortoise was (one) of the first creatures brought back to life by Victor; The boat/ship in 'Frankenstein' is never named, it could be called Frankenstein's ship/boat, or HE could be on it; The monster could be considered as Frankenstein (to some); OK so I'm struggling to find a Frankenstein in the picure of Link, though there is a link between Frankenstein's Monster and Link (Zelda/Link confusion); Viktor makes a puddle of blood (by killing the bride), whom he also dumps in the lake; M3GAN can be seen as a morden day retelling of Frankenstein, there also appears to be a Megan Frankenstein at Boulder University; Magma/Lava - Magma comix publishes(d) a comic called The Modern Frankenstein, William Lava wrote the score to Dracula vs Frankenstein (a real frankenstein of a film, imho); Pumpkin's are often carved (sculpted) into Frankenstein's Monster - thus (following the concept that you carve away everything that isn't what you want when sculpting) every Pumkin contains a Frankenstein's monster (also there is such thing as a Frankenstein Pumpkin - moulded into shape while growing...); Viktor (or Henry) Frankenstein; there is a book called Frankenstein makes a sandwich, maybe Viktor (Henry) made a sandwich for lunch? (I'm sure he would have at some point), McDonald's have a Frankenstein (land, sea and air sandwich, which may have come our AFTER the comic); Stop sign.. the idea that the whole book is an ethical stop sign; Monster - needs nothing further; Planet - (this is where I started actually) Frankenstein Planets - forming from the remains of other 'dead' planets - indeed every planet can be said to be a Frankenstein planet, formed from the components of dead stars (as can everything else?); Cueball and Ponytail.. reference to XKCD 1589?; Traffic light - Frankenstein (the book) is a warning, so is a traffic light (but how does it *contain* Frankenstein?); and the last panel obviously doesn't have Frankenstein in it...