Talk:2827: Brassica

You can also get pretty good mileage from claiming random things (like peaches, corn, or Skittles) are actually a type of berry. 172.69.247.40 00:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

I've done that with corn before. 172.69.134.76 01:32, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Easier (and often more accurate than expectations) to suggest that any number of 'berries' are not a berry (but, typically, a drupe or aggregate druplets/composite/etc), or similar with various (most?) type of 'nuts' that really aren't.

But of course loganberries and most types of pine nut are, indeed, brassicas!^{[actual citation needed]} 172.71.242.20 05:08, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

You can get even more milage by claiming that _technically_ random berry isn't a berry172.71.246.135 20:41, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

The confusion there comes from two different definitions of the word. The culinary term simply means a small edible fruit. The botanical definition is based on how different parts of the flower develop into parts of the fruit, and much of what matches each term doesn't match the other. The botanical term excludes a lot that even has "berry" in its name, like strawberries and blackberries, but includes some things that definitely don't match the culinary term, like bananas. Most people who aren't scientists who work with plants normally think of the culinary term, so basing statements on what matches the botanical term often sounds strange. The same is true for fruits vs vegetables, as vegatable doesn't even have a non-culinary definition, unlike fruit, which has a clear botanical meaning, which includes some things considered vegetables.--172.71.254.46 06:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

This is like the ridiculous claims that birds descended from dinosaurs and whales from hippos. Barmar (talk) 14:20, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean "ridiculous"? https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-dinosaurs-shrank-and-became-birds/ 172.70.100.229 19:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Do we have a category/tag for "Experts misleading the public" or "Experts manufacturing false facts"? Feels like a common theme. 172.71.22.121 10:37, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

to which many vegetables that we eat belong speak for yourself. I'm pretty sure neither tomato nor potato is Brassica oleracea. -- Hkmaly (talk) 22:44, 13 September 2023 (UTC)