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:::I remember this argument from before. The daylight one saves is the 'summer morning daylight'. By reverting to non-DST you don't save anything, you just make the mornings less dark than they would abnormally be. (Indeed, this morning I was out and about before 7:30AM (GMT) and had a nice bright day that ''wasn't'' (unlike during recent BST-ruled mornings) darker than they ought to be just because most people want a >4:30PM 'daylight' rather more than a <7:30AM one). [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.179|172.71.178.179]] 18:30, 29 October 2023 (UTC) | :::I remember this argument from before. The daylight one saves is the 'summer morning daylight'. By reverting to non-DST you don't save anything, you just make the mornings less dark than they would abnormally be. (Indeed, this morning I was out and about before 7:30AM (GMT) and had a nice bright day that ''wasn't'' (unlike during recent BST-ruled mornings) darker than they ought to be just because most people want a >4:30PM 'daylight' rather more than a <7:30AM one). [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.179|172.71.178.179]] 18:30, 29 October 2023 (UTC) | ||
::::...Except summer doesn't need any "help", the days are longer, plenty of daylight to go around. :) It's the short short winter days which - if anything - require help to make the most out of whatever little daylight there is. And like I said, last year they were about to make Summer Time permanent, we would have stayed on THAT time, not the Winter Shifted time. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:07, 19 November 2023 (UTC) | ::::...Except summer doesn't need any "help", the days are longer, plenty of daylight to go around. :) It's the short short winter days which - if anything - require help to make the most out of whatever little daylight there is. And like I said, last year they were about to make Summer Time permanent, we would have stayed on THAT time, not the Winter Shifted time. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:07, 19 November 2023 (UTC) | ||
| β | :::::You are right (as well as wrong). Borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. Of course Peter is flush, in summer, and doesn't need so much morning light, so Paul can entertain himself for long evenings and everybody's happy (certainly more happy, in total, than if Peter just frittered away his spare cash every morning, long before he needs to go to | + | :::::You are right (as well as wrong). Borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. Of course Peter is flush, in summer, and doesn't need so much morning light, so Paul can entertain himself for long evenings and everybody's happy (certainly more happy, in total, than if Peter just frittered away his spare cash every morning, long before he needs to go to workl. |
:::::In the winter months, Peter might already feel the pinch. Not only are the days ''naturally'' drawing closer, but someone's decided that he doesn't really need as much of the (already limited) daylight as he started with. Paul's getting ''some'' more evening (still gets dark early enough, though, depending on latitude). Marginal gains for him, if he's lucky, and good for him. But more-than-marginal losses for the other guy, and always net losses because you can't actually argue against the local astronomy. | :::::In the winter months, Peter might already feel the pinch. Not only are the days ''naturally'' drawing closer, but someone's decided that he doesn't really need as much of the (already limited) daylight as he started with. Paul's getting ''some'' more evening (still gets dark early enough, though, depending on latitude). Marginal gains for him, if he's lucky, and good for him. But more-than-marginal losses for the other guy, and always net losses because you can't actually argue against the local astronomy. | ||
| β | :::::The decision to | + | :::::The decision to and "summer-in-winter" (with or without "double-summer") just rearranges the deckchairs a bit. If you're on the Titanic, the best you can hope for is that this means it's easier to run straight out and ongo the rather limited number of lifeboats (when you need to), but it's more of a cosmetic exercise when you can't (or needn't) get onto one. |
:::::Now, if schools/workplaces operated on something like "from one hour after sunrise", instead of tied to crepuscularly-agnostic clock-time (of whatever shift from absolute astronomical timings), we could stop arguing the rest of the point and just deal with what people 'deem' most appropriate. And there's no such thing as "winter shifted time" (unless you do Wintertime+1 to keep with/keep pace with the shift you made for summer). It's only "winter ''un''shifted time", as I note has been said before... Give or take how far from your longitude's 'natural' noon is away from the clock-noon your country/region has adopted. (e.g. China, wide in longitude, one single timezone throughout, but to some extent ''every'' TZ's fringes, even if that's just around half an hour of 'cosmic shift', before politics adds or removes anything else.) [[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.71|172.69.194.71]] 16:49, 19 November 2023 (UTC) | :::::Now, if schools/workplaces operated on something like "from one hour after sunrise", instead of tied to crepuscularly-agnostic clock-time (of whatever shift from absolute astronomical timings), we could stop arguing the rest of the point and just deal with what people 'deem' most appropriate. And there's no such thing as "winter shifted time" (unless you do Wintertime+1 to keep with/keep pace with the shift you made for summer). It's only "winter ''un''shifted time", as I note has been said before... Give or take how far from your longitude's 'natural' noon is away from the clock-noon your country/region has adopted. (e.g. China, wide in longitude, one single timezone throughout, but to some extent ''every'' TZ's fringes, even if that's just around half an hour of 'cosmic shift', before politics adds or removes anything else.) [[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.71|172.69.194.71]] 16:49, 19 November 2023 (UTC) | ||
