Editing Talk:2824: Abstract Pickup

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... nobody has anything to say? -- [[User:Dtgriscom|Dtgriscom]] ([[User talk:Dtgriscom|talk]]) 02:34, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
: self explanatory [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.144|172.69.22.144]] 02:54, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
: we just dont like pickup artists, not much more to say - [[User:Vaedez|Vaedez]] ([[User talk:Vaedez|talk]]) 03:01, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

: I do: I think it is weird it is White Hat who performs the pickup-artistry on the abstract painting. Given the character traits, shouldn't we expect Black Hat? --[[Special:Contributions/172.64.238.101|172.64.238.101]] 12:52, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
:: I get the impression that, while Black Hat has terrifying and misanthropic tendencies, mere pickup artistry is beneath him.  He is, after all, a ''classhole''.  I think White Hat (also rarely a sympathetic character) is being used because the casual jerkiness and disrespect (even in a slightly surreal scenario) would cheapen Black Hat's brand.[[User:Dextrous Fred|Dextrous Fred]] ([[User talk:Dextrous Fred|talk]]) 15:03, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
::(Got an Edit Conflict with Fred, above, who seems to have said much of what I do, below but snappier..! But resubmitting mine anyway.) I can't see Black Hat trying to ''neg a painting''. And though BH's SO is notably familiar with and skillful in negging, I don't see it as being BH's MO. Even to make people's life a misery (and it seems a different kind of misery-making thing to nerdsniping or otherwise messing with everyone's heads... somewhat ''too'' personal, at least when not already personally provoked by the target of his actions).
::I'm less clear in my head about whether it's actually a White Hat thing, as I don't relate so much to him in any clear way (even as a counter-example), but I think it's his kind of equivalent to White Beret's misunderstanding of the 'sciences' (the whole gamut of soft-to-hard, from how to conduct a businesses to quantum effects), but in the field of the 'arts' or otherwise performance-related fields. (I really must check WH's profile/prior comics, to refresh my opinion on him, see if I'm remembering his general role in xkcd correctly enough.)
::In short, though the negging might be thought to deserve to 'dark-shade' the hat of the character, a little, it's actually a victimless aggression (against an abstract target, in more ways than one, which cannot suffer ill effects from any of this verbal psychdrama) and overwhelmingly it's a basic misunderstanding incarnated into an odd (but not 'impossible') behaviour. In neither BH nor WB 'territories' of wrongness. But I could perhaps imagine seeing a generic Cueball doing it, however, or even Rob in his odder moments... [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.2|172.70.85.2]] 15:13, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
:::Sounds like we need a grey hat character...[[Special:Contributions/172.69.70.151|172.69.70.151]] 16:26, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
::Well, if you remove all the negativity artificially added to the explanation by the editors here, the comic isn't ACTUALLY being negative about pickup artistry. Which leaves that being a pickup artist to your own abstract art as being a REALLY weird thing to do, and White Hat is THE character for doing weird illogical things. :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:11, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
: I suspect the US holiday on Monday had a large portion of editors busy with festivities.  Editing will likely pickup today!  (See what I did there?) [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 12:54, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Should we add a "pickup artist" category? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.241.217|108.162.241.217]] 15:57, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
: Well, the explanation lists 2, then this one would be 3, if that's all there is that seems like a little too few to bother with a category just yet, :) If someone can find more comics where "pickup artist" is a significant theme... [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:11, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

I too aspire to be a cute dizzying swarm [[User:PotatoGod|PotatoGod]] ([[User talk:PotatoGod|talk]]) 23:00, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:I already imagined you as a dizzyingly cute swarm! (But not a swarming cute-dizzy...) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.34|172.70.162.34]] 23:13, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I feel like there is WAY TOO MUCH focus on seeing pickup artistry in a negative light here. Sure, negative examples have figured prominently in popular media (recently seeing reruns of the first season of How I Met Your Mother means I must start with Barney, there was also Charlie in Two And A Half Men, and to a far lesser extent early Howard in Big Bang Theory). But the misogynistic angle taken by jerks is only one type, there's plenty of pickup artists who are simply charming, smooth talking, and respectful! (In a way AGAIN Howard in Big Bang, he was a good guy really, not misogynistic generally, just desperate, and Ashton Kutcher's Walden in Two And A Half Men), guys who pickup women simply by talking smooth and being charming (and usually handsome, LOL!) who aren't desperate or hard-done-by at all! I mean, guys who have such a negative and disrespectful attitude about women are already starting from behind, making charming a woman harder on themselves, it's more difficult to be successful enough to rank as a "pickup artist" that way. There's actually NOTHING in this comic painting pickup artistry in a negative light - okay, "cute for a" sounds like it could be in the form of a Neg, but "dizzying swarm" sounds akin to "dazzling beauty" or something actually complimentary - it doesn't make sense to have THIS much negativity added to the explanation. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:11, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
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 I feel like there is WAY TOO MUCH focus on seeing pickup artistry in a negative light here. Sure, negative examples have figured prominently in popular media (recently seeing reruns of the first season of How I Met Your Mother means I must start with Barney, there was also Charlie in Two And A Half Men, and to a far lesser extent early Howard in Big Bang Theory). But the misogynistic angle taken by jerks is only one type, there's plenty of pickup artists who are simply charming, smooth talking, and respectful! (In a way AGAIN Howard in Big Bang, he was a good guy really, not misogynistic generally, just desperate, and Ashton Kutcher's Walden in Two And A Half Men), guys who pickup women simply by talking smooth and being charming (and usually handsome, LOL!) who aren't desperate or hard-done-by at all! I mean, guys who have such a negative and disrespectful attitude about women are already starting from behind, making charming a woman harder on themselves, it's more difficult to be successful enough to rank as a "pickup artist" that way. There's actually NOTHING in this comic painting pickup artistry in a negative light - okay, "cute for a" sounds like it could be in the form of a Neg, but "dizzying swarm" sounds akin to "dazzling beauty" or something actually complimentary - it doesn't make sense to have THIS much negativity added to the explanation. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:11, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
-:Those who consciously aspire to 'artistry' aren't really thinking about their (usually?) female targets as anything more than 'material' to their art... perhaps even a challenge to conquer. Anyone who is genuinely free and easy, good companionship, has girls(/boys) happy to hook up with them in a bit of mutual fun (dinner, date, ''maybe'' more) with no psychological manipulation intended aren't 'artists', just sociable and not themselves easily smitten by every potential partner they meet (which is ''another'' problem).
-:If you're negging, etc, you're not doing it with honest intentions, and devising/learning the 'art' of doing this is definitely edging towards being sociopathic. Those who are subjected to being picked up (and dropped again, at whim, if not 'processed' in a Tate-like conveyor-belt of such things) are victims ''way'' beyond anyone in the casual date-and-split cycles of those who are still floating more naturally in the dating scene.
-:To call it an 'art' degrades the medium. When that medium is canvas and paints, we already know these are subject to our whims, whether the future holds auctions or bonfires in it. When the medium is skin and tattoo ink then it's a matter of the owner of the skin to ultimately decide as to whether it's good art that makes them happier. A whole thinking person being deliberately 'practiced' upon (without knowing consent) can't really be seen as a positive process. It's a different thing when the aims are more mutual, of course, but that's any one of a number of other social interactions... [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.162|172.70.91.162]] 09:55, 10 September 2023 (UTC)