Talk:459: Holy Ghost

    Pope: Do you know how much scripture we'll have to revise? 

It isn't a problem. Trinitarian dogma isn't even peripheral to scripture. So the answer is: "None". I am sure that had there been cause for concern at least one comedian would have come up with it by now.

I used Google News BEFORE it was clickbait (talk) 09:46, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

It's not the Trinity that's the issue. It's that the Bible talks a whole lot about the Holy Spirit. He is very important to the theology. If He can be trapped, it means the Bible got a lot of things wrong. Trlkly (talk) 23:50, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Uh, the Bible got everything wrong, it's fiction... -- The Cat Lady (talk) 09:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

No it didn't; Even if you don't believe it's the infallible word of God (it is), you still need to except it as a book with potentially unreliable historical accounts of things that actually happened 172.69.34.129 (talk) 19:13, 31 January 2024 (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

One can "except it", but it's hard to "accept it". Too many gods (or versions of gods) with their own infallible words. At the most, just one could be correct, and the chances are that every one has been miscopied/mistranslated/re-edited without necessarily having a proper meeting with the ultimate author to discuss the result. (Various of the Holy Books do have statements that command like "do not change the words of this book", for a kind of memetic stasis. But it's hard to know if this was obeyed (or even present) right from the start. It could easily have been frozen after being corrupted.)

Learning history from the Bible doesn't help, though. Anything that's not actually wrong is at least biased (and no room for updating with any newly attested understanding of, say, the socio-economic situation in Pharoah's Egypt) or unprovable (what did the leper actually say? ...and does it matter?). But given that (e.g.) Herod The Great died BC (4BC-1-BC, by best estimates) you have to decide that it was his son, or revise all the other book-inspired dating/event systems.

I have no problem with the Bible (and most other equivalents) suggesting that we all follow the line of "be good to each other". One should not mind which God/gods/elemental-philosophies people subscribe to if they do that. (c.f. that done to Aslan, in C.S. Lewis's "The Last Battle", and that is almost directly a theologically-inspired Jesus avatar anyway.) Not that everyone does that, with or without the Bible as their go-to. 172.69.195.170 21:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Sigh, The Jewish people were remarkable historans, memorizing thousands of pages of history each, and it was punishable by death to change them. Contrary to popular belief, the new testament is a actual historical book that got turned into a holy book because of its contents. Almost all of the books are letters written less than 40 years after Jesus' death, from one person to another, not as a lot of people belive, a tale about a long long ago similar to greek myths. Not only that, the Gospel books were all writen by eyewitnesses or by eyewtness testimony. That is all agreed with by everyone (all actual historans that is). Jesus was an actual person who actually clamed to be God and actally got crucified. This is all fact, in fact this is really remarkably recorded, its very rare to have ancent history recorded by eye witnesses. After Jesus got crucified, 50-500 some people all clamed to see him resurrected, somthing the Jews didn't belive in, and if they were lying about that, they just forfeted their place in heaven. After that, thousands of people (a lot of them were people who watched Jesus die and cheered) turned away from thousands of years tradition and belief, got tortured and killed for somthing that they themselves would have claimed impossible just a 3 years earlier. This is in handwritten letters, this is all historical fact, nobody can claim this didn't happen. It is ridiculous to argue about any of the above, you can follow the paper trail. What is worth argueing about is weither or not the Jews were fooled into their new religon or was it actally divine. But saying that "everything int he bible is made up or that its been mistranlated" is dumb (look up the redsea scrolls).

I don't like getting in "religous arguments" because nobody's mind is actally changed and everyone just gets mad at each other. But PLEASE do some research on the people and their writings your discussing, BEFORE drawing conclusions and squabbling with each other Apollo11 (talk) 16:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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(talk) 11:18, 20 April 2015 (UTC)Woah

Why is the 2nd frame inverted?