Editing Talk:2108: Carbonated Beverage Language Map

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I'm wondering what the joke behind the weird shapes of "softie" and "punch" are about. [[User:Cgrimes85|Cgrimes85]] ([[User talk:Cgrimes85|talk]]) 17:22, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
:The shapes could easily be random. But at first glance the "softie" shape vaguely represents areas where Mormons represent more than 50% of the population. [[User:Syberiyxx|Syberiyxx]] ([[User talk:Syberiyxx|talk]]) 19:07, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
::I fixed the explanation with the correct interpretation of the two shapes. [[User:N0lqu|-boB]] ([[User talk:N0lqu|talk]]) 21:27, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
::My additions had disappeared, but it looks to have been by accident, and Shamino put them back.  Thanks!  In case it disappears again for whatever reason, on the map Punch is literally punching Softie. [[User:N0lqu|-boB]] ([[User talk:N0lqu|talk]]) 22:10, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

"Bubbler" is definitely a reference to people in Rhode Island calling drinking fountains "bubblers".[[User:Cgrimes85|Cgrimes85]] ([[User talk:Cgrimes85|talk]]) 17:23, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

:::[https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/51af5dc7ecad04c04600000c-750-533.png Bubbler reference, Joshua Katz], and [https://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/q_103.html its data]

:The “bubbler” term is used in some areas of Wisconsin, too; I wonder how that happened. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.59.108|172.68.59.108]] 17:31, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

::Interesting. I didn't know that. In this case though, the map is pointing directly at RI. [[User:Cgrimes85|Cgrimes85]] ([[User talk:Cgrimes85|talk]]) 17:40, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

:::I was devastated to see that 'bubbler' had not been given to eastern WI. I demand a recount!--[[Special:Contributions/162.158.214.10|162.158.214.10]] 18:47, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

:I was surprised to see 'bubbler' avoided Boston.  Living in the suburbs of Boston, which are in the 'bubbler' area, we always called them 'water fountains', but we talked about how people in downtown Boston would say 'bubblah' instead, which somebody from the city verified once.  Later I moved to the Harvard/Cambridge area (is that Randall's area?) and people seemed to say 'water fountain' to me, although I might not have noticed, or maybe they were all college kid types, dunno.  Maybe the point is that in the highlighted area, people weirdly _don't_ refer to water fountains as bubblers, and the reason for this is that it is how soda/pop is referred to. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.62.10|172.69.62.10]] 23:50, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

:Growing up in the New York metropolitan area in the 70's, my family sometimes used the term "bubbler", but only to refer to those drinking fountains where the water is projected straight up.  We never used it for the more common kind where the water is projected at an angle.  [[User:Shamino|Shamino]] ([[User talk:Shamino|talk]]) 21:37, 6 February 2019 (UTC)



Clearly a parody of this map: http://www.popvssoda.com/countystats/total-county.html
The isolated regions surrounding Atlanta and the Twin Cities are probably a reference to the similar pattern around St. Louis in the real map. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.78.40|172.68.78.40]] 17:17, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Oh man, this one is gonna have to be a table. Bring in the guy who knows how to make tables. I think it was the user Dgbrt. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.65.168|172.68.65.168]] 18:28, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

I've heard Americans have 50 different words for "soda" [[Special:Contributions/172.68.58.251|172.68.58.251]] 20:26, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Re: Medicine - People in Detroit and Buffalo often use Ginger Ale, especially Vernor's, medicinally.  Whenever I had an upset stomach growing up, it was the preferred beverage. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.136|162.158.75.136]] 20:54, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure "crypto" is a joke on cryptocurrency craze, not cryptography or any other crypto-thing. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.242.46|198.41.242.46]] 21:21, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

"True water" could be a reference to the [https://sf.eater.com/2018/1/4/16850592/what-is-raw-water-live-water-san-francisco-rainbow-grocery "raw water"] (aka untreated water) thing that went through the SF Bay Area in 2018.[[Special:Contributions/172.69.218.10|172.69.218.10]] 21:51, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Re: Medicine - Sodas started out as medicines made by pharmacists. ([https://www.medicalbag.com/grey-matter/the-origins-of-soda/article/472378/| first reference I found]) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.146.10|162.158.146.10]] 22:41, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

On "fluid": the term "fluid" can refer to liquids and gasses both, so perhaps it's a deliberate reference to the fact that carbonated beverages contain both liquid and (rapidly decompressing) gas?

I doubt that "True Water" is a reference to True Blood. Randall doesn't exactly seem like a vampire guy to me. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.189.241|172.68.189.241]] 00:50, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

When I saw "Glug" I immediately thought it could be a reference to the Squidbillies although it is an alcoholic drink and that section is in Florida instead of Georgia. [[User:Ansarya|Ansarya]] ([[User talk:Ansarya|talk]]) 01:08, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

The Söde section is just south of Seattle and so is probably a reference to the SoDo section of Seattle (which was also parodied on South Park's 19th season as SodoSopa) Should I add these to the explanation? [[User:Ansarya|Ansarya]] ([[User talk:Ansarya|talk]]) 02:13, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm wondering if the term "Hydro" in Upstate NY bordering Canada is a play on the common Canadian use of "Hydro" to mean electricity [[User:B0xertw1n|B0xertw1n]] ([[User talk:B0xertw1n|talk]]) 03:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

I know meltwater is used as a term for water from melted glaciers, icebergs or just ice and snow in general. I have heard Melt used to refer to glacier water in specific twice in Canada. I also know people ride boats up to icebergs just to grab some ice for a drink. Considering the region, I wouldn't be surprised if both Melt and Boat Drink refer to that. [[User:D|D]] ([[User talk:D|talk]]) 05:22, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

I wonder why he used five colors for the map, given the four color theorem I would never be able to resist using four only for maps like this.

There were five ingredients in punch but that is tenuous.

Is this a Republican gerrymander?
* Ichor goes red.
* You-Know-What goes red.
* I can't tell which way Ohio Tea would go, given that Arizona is a swing state, and very little of the populated areas have changed.
* The Wet Drink is clearly more Republican, as the section bordering Mexico is gone.
* Punch is red, even though Colorado is typically blue.
* Atlanta is in the "Tang" region, not the "Fool's Champagne" region. Atlanta is not enough to make Tang blue.
* Skim Shake contains a lot of African-Americans, but it still seems to be red.
* Glug is red. I can't tell about Skim Shake or Quicksilver.
* Fluid excludes Raleigh, which is enough to make it likely/solid Republican, despite North Carolina only leaning Republican.
* Mead is red, even though Minnesota leans Democratic.
* Kid's Coffee excludes Detroit, making it dark red.
* I honestly can't tell which way Medicine goes. It contains Detroit, Cleveland, Columbus, Pittsburg, and Buffalo, but also a lot of rural areas. Cincinnati and eastern Pennsylvania are excluded.
* Hydro goes red.
* Broth goes red, even though Virginia is blue. Look at how Hot Water is "packed" with Democrats.

The only thing I have against this idea is that Capri goes blue, and a Republican gerrymander would probably not include the entirety of Indiana. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.79.245|162.158.79.245]] 14:01, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

To be fair, mercury is hardly harmful at all if swallowed [[Special:Contributions/172.68.222.64|172.68.222.64]] 15:05, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
:That’s correct, so I removed the remark from the table. --[[User:DaB.|DaB.]] ([[User talk:DaB.|talk]]) 16:42, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Heh. Lots of these funny names might remind specific users of specific things, but it's foolish of us to say that those names are surely references to those things. "You-know-what" is a Harry Potter reference? Really? [[User:Alanbbent|Alanbbent]] ([[User talk:Alanbbent|talk]]) 16:28, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
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-Im from  new york and i can confirm we do call it mouthbuzz[[Special:Contributions/162.158.63.12|162.158.63.12]] 17:45, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 I'm wondering what the joke behind the weird shapes of "softie" and "punch" are about. [[User:Cgrimes85|Cgrimes85]] ([[User talk:Cgrimes85|talk]]) 17:22, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 :The shapes could easily be random. But at first glance the "softie" shape vaguely represents areas where Mormons represent more than 50% of the population. [[User:Syberiyxx|Syberiyxx]] ([[User talk:Syberiyxx|talk]]) 19:07, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
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 I'm pretty sure "crypto" is a joke on cryptocurrency craze, not cryptography or any other crypto-thing. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.242.46|198.41.242.46]] 21:21, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
-:It ''could'' be, but I see no evidence of that in this comic; there's no other reference to currencies ''or'' cryptography here, so there's not much to go on. However, looking through past comics, I see many instances where Randall used "crypto" to mean "cryptography" but ''no'' instances where he used just the term "crypto" alone to mean "cryptocurrency". Randall Munroe seems pretty well versed on both topics & I don't think he thinks that word means what you think he thinks that word means. Crypto = cryptography. Crypto ≠ crypto-currency; hence the existence of the compound term crypto+currency in the first place.
-:[[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 19:04, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 "True water" could be a reference to the [https://sf.eater.com/2018/1/4/16850592/what-is-raw-water-live-water-san-francisco-rainbow-grocery "raw water"] (aka untreated water) thing that went through the SF Bay Area in 2018.[[Special:Contributions/172.69.218.10|172.69.218.10]] 21:51, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
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 To be fair, mercury is hardly harmful at all if swallowed [[Special:Contributions/172.68.222.64|172.68.222.64]] 15:05, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 :That’s correct, so I removed the remark from the table. --[[User:DaB.|DaB.]] ([[User talk:DaB.|talk]]) 16:42, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
-::What? Where are you two getting your information on this subject? Both the AMA & WHO have published warnings about the dangers of mercury ingestion. It is medically classified as a toxin & regulated as an industrial pollutant. Due to the very small quantities required for a spill to elevate mercury levels beyond accepted risk limits in a water table, & the high rate of vaporization & accordant inhalation risk, many municipalities & medical organizations have banned the sale of mercury containing thermometers, altogether. Ingesting a single gram of mercury is sufficient to risk permanent damage, & it's worse if inhaled, which is easy to do because it vaporizes at a relatively low temperature. Mercury inhibits selenium uptake. Even the relatively low absorption rate of elemental mercury within the gastrointestinal tract is still sufficient to warrant serious medical warnings & safety regulations. Unless you can present some peer-reviewed studies indicating that drinking mercury is safe, I don't understand how you can claim it's "hardly harmful at all if swallowed". Bottom line: '''''Mercury is a toxin.''''' I'm putting it back in.
-::[[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 20:05, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 Heh. Lots of these funny names might remind specific users of specific things, but it's foolish of us to say that those names are surely references to those things. "You-know-what" is a Harry Potter reference? Really? [[User:Alanbbent|Alanbbent]] ([[User talk:Alanbbent|talk]]) 16:28, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
-Ichor area appears to be the Cascade Mountains, the igneous range formed by the molten "blood" released from impact with the tectonic plate with sedimentary Olympic peninsula - since ichor is the blood of the gods of Olympus[[User:Rarebitfiend|Rarebitfiend]] ([[User talk:Rarebitfiend|talk]]) 16:53, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
-You-know-what also echoes the Schweppes tag line "Schhhh - you know who" [[Special:Contributions/141.101.77.98|141.101.77.98]] 18:11, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
-I don't understand, I've never heard anyone refer to sodas in general as "Coke" unless it was a Coke-like drink (aka cola). On the other hand, I have heard many people refer to sodas as "cola" even if it was clear/yellow/non-brown. [[User:SDSpivey|SDSpivey]] ([[User talk:SDSpivey|talk]]) 05:47, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
-I think "hydro" is a reference to the fact that in that region (and Canada) they refer to electric power as "hydro" because it comes from hydroelectric plants, so it IS a regional dialect change, but for utility power not soft drinks. 23:20, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
-I also though "hydro" was a reference to the Canadian oddity of calling electricity "hydro". I added that to the Terms Explanation but someone deleted it.  [[Special:Contributions/172.69.62.220|172.69.62.220]] 14:48, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
-In Northern England and Scotland, I believe sweets (confectionary) are called 'spice'. This makes 'spicewater' as liquid sweets very reasonable and perhaps more likely than a Dune reference.[[Special:Contributions/162.158.34.112|162.158.34.112]] 16:55, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
-I love the "citation needed" regarding "Well, not by someone with your best interests at heart."[[User:Opticsmith|Opticsmith]] ([[User talk:Opticsmith|talk]]) 17:04, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
-To repeat my ad-hoc edit summary for a change I just made: ''Probably the biggest brand asset of 'Coke' is its laconic contraction. I wonder if anyone considered "Gimme a Pep!" as a branding exercise?'' ...only while writing it (to avoid leaving my edit uncommented in the Edit History) did I realise how true. Apart from the (not entirely incidental) homophonic sharing with cocaine's own name-shortner, it would be interesting to know if "Pep" would have been as useful a name-gimick. Ok, so confusion perhaps with Peptobismol in one direction and its rival's Doctor Pepper in the other, but it seems the only way to go (except "Psi"?) to get deep into the utilitarian phoneme battle... Just thinking out loud. Don't mind me! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.147|172.70.162.147]] 12:08, 20 March 2022 (UTC)