Editing Talk:2877: Fever

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I was feeling a bit cold, actually, but now I'm back down to around 94.5 °De... [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.188|172.69.79.188]] 22:11, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I edited this wiki for the first time :) 
Well, it was just the transcript but a first time is still a first time [[User:DNA Diva|DNA diva]] ([[User talk:DNA Diva|talk]]) 22:33, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
::Welcome on board (I have the most edits ;-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
:The only complaint I have about the Transcript is that... it isn't really a Transcript if it has a table rather than explaining how it has a table. We can, and do, essentially have a tabular table in the Explanation. The Transcript really should be there so that text-searches or screen-readers that aren't advanced enough to understand the formatted layout get a 'free text' description to look at.
: I know [[2313: Wrong Times Table|other Transcripts]] use html/mediawiki tables, perhaps where you got the idea. But they shouldn't. Check out those that "do a table without the markup". For some, it's [[2502: Every Data Table|simple]], for others it's [[1026: Compare and Contrast|not as simple]] (or it's [[2723: Outdated Periodic Table|very simple]] but almost takes more effort to descripe in Transcript prose than in the wikimarkup version). And there are [[1070: Words for Small Sets|others with formatting issues]] creeping into the Transcript that I might take against how it was done (Transcripts that actually reproduce text effects (boldness, colour, justification, size) should also ":[describe the text effect]" too, but that one introduces bold title (actually a "definition list" markup, which sort of increases context of the content).
: ...sorry, long message. I absolutely love that we're getting new editors. I think you can probably "detabularise the table" easy enough, though, without having wasted too much effort (you seem like got the actual table-markup right enough that you didn't have to think too much, so I count most of your 'effort' being the actual transcription of the comic text - and that's exactly what a re-Transcription effort would straight up preserve as most important!). Just thought I'd opine that in order to adhere to practices here (long standing; long enough to have gained a few long-standing 'wrong ways to do it', as in the ones I note above!) you might like to consider tweaking it accordingly.
: Or I could do it, but that might be plain rude. (Rud''er''?)
: Leaving it open to your choice (or the huge argument between descriptivists and formattists!)... [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.164|172.69.79.164]] 01:05, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
:: Thank you so much for the feedback! I reformatted the transcript [[User:DNA Diva|DNA diva]] ([[User talk:DNA Diva|talk]]) 03:09, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
:::I disagree that tables cannot be used in the transcript or that formaling cannot be used. As long as the text is written correctly you search for it! We have used formaling in the transcript all the time. And yes we do not describe where the text is bold or italic. But use formatting. But the description of the image or the format of the table is important for those who need it to understand the comic! --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Another reference to the 2003 movie ''{{w|The Core}}''. We should add a category. --[[Special:Contributions/172.71.114.123|172.71.114.123]] 00:03, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
:Actually we should! --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
::And now we have it: [[:Category:The Core]]! --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:30, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

''45°C–100°C: Only a few people could survive such external temperatures, for extended periods, ...''
Wow, I am glad that I survived the 65°C at Filsen in summer 2019.
Although temperatures dropped below 40°C at night, not everyone survived it. :(
—Actually I was thinking about [[wikipedia:Sauna|Sauna]]s, they reach 80°C, but are used much shorter than I always thought (15 minutes, thank you Wikipedia). --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.247.117|172.70.247.117]] 00:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
:I contributed the above. I did originally have it much longer than "for extended periods", but cut it back to just that. Really, once you get above an ambient temperature of 42.somethingDegreesC (that covers most of the operational ranges that the usual references give), you're getting parboiled. At best. Sweating just doesn't help enough to keep most bodies cool in an environment that hot. (If the body is doing it to itself, then you've got something bad going on. Or you've decided to {{w|2,4-Dinitrophenol|make your body 'burn hotter'}}, artificially...)
:I'm open to it being reworded (how could I not be?), but I cut it back from a "loadsa-links" version to the rather short and snappy (and linkless, I now realise!) assertion you see before you. I'm sure you (plural-you!) will run with whatever you (ditto) think best.  I was actually originally just going to mark the point at which the rather short list of core-body temperature ranges was being subtly(?) changed into environmental temperature ranges, anyway. (i.e., somewhere within the 45-100 range, you definitely stop being the former and (apart from some rather (un)fortunate survivors of fires/atom-bomb-blasts) pivot very much into being the latter). [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.164|172.69.79.164]] 01:05, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

My view is that the "Fahrenheit" equivalent column should be deleted; it's more unhelpful than helpful, and thus gets in the way. Getting rid of it would clean up the table to focus more on the actual explanation. No one is being helped by translating large Celsius temperatures into Fahrenheit equivelants. But before doing, I'd like to see if there's strong disagreement. [[User:Laser813|Laser813]] ([[User talk:Laser813|talk]]) 02:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
:I see no problem in it being there. It is a US page and a US based comic. That Randall is all for SI units doesn't mean we should not include the scale in US temperature range even if it is one of the most stupid of the units they cling on to. I'm from Denmark where we use SI units (Celsius is just a Kelvin scale plus 273,15 degrees). So I would say no to removing it. Also Randall includes it in the first entry! --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
::Just looking at how {{w|Fahrenheit#History|Fahrenheit}} was defined and redefined (changing the value in process) makes obvious how stupid unit it is. I really don't understand why anyone is using it. Compared to it, foot makes much more sense. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 17:58, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

At our current technological level, the conversations in a few of the treatments are impossible. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|talk]]) 01:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I think 37 Celsius is a round number for MAXIMUM normal core temperature - you're probably lower just now - and 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit is a precise conversion of an imprecise figure.  It's worth knowing your personal normal temperature - across the menstrual cycle, if that applies to you - to be able to say that you have a fever significantly above your personal norm.  Your norm probably is lower than 37 / 98.6.  Also, these days, you're likely to aim an electronic thermometer onto or into a body part which is naturally cooler, and only estimate the temperature of your insides.  However, this is not what Planned Parenthood recommends, and that's between you and them. Robert Carnegie rja.carnegie@gmail.com [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.28|172.70.90.28]] 12:54, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
:Per wikipedia, a study in the 19th century pegged the mean (without mentioning the variance) at 36.88 C / 98.38 F, which are equally precise.  That got commonly reported as 37 C / 98.4 F, which loses more precision on the Celsius value than on the Fahrenheit value, but those are both reasonable ways to round the values in and of themselves.  Then apparently someone noticed that precisely 37 C converts to precisely 98.6 F, and started reporting 37 C / 98.6 F.  So, yes, the Fahrenheit value is overly precise.  (But the typical range now is reported as 36.5–37.5 C / 97.7–99.5 F, and given that body temperature is generally higher when we're awake, it seems likely that "you're probably *higher* just now."[[Special:Contributions/162.158.154.30|162.158.154.30]] 22:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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	I think 37 Celsius is a round number for MAXIMUM normal core temperature - you're probably lower just now - and 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit is a precise conversion of an imprecise figure. It's worth knowing your personal normal temperature - across the menstrual cycle, if that applies to you - to be able to say that you have a fever significantly above your personal norm. Your norm probably is lower than 37 / 98.6. Also, these days, you're likely to aim an electronic thermometer onto or into a body part which is naturally cooler, and only estimate the temperature of your insides. However, this is not what Planned Parenthood recommends, and that's between you and them. Robert Carnegie [email protected] [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.28\|172.70.90.28]] 12:54, 6 January 2024 (UTC)		I think 37 Celsius is a round number for MAXIMUM normal core temperature - you're probably lower just now - and 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit is a precise conversion of an imprecise figure. It's worth knowing your personal normal temperature - across the menstrual cycle, if that applies to you - to be able to say that you have a fever significantly above your personal norm. Your norm probably is lower than 37 / 98.6. Also, these days, you're likely to aim an electronic thermometer onto or into a body part which is naturally cooler, and only estimate the temperature of your insides. However, this is not what Planned Parenthood recommends, and that's between you and them. Robert Carnegie [email protected] [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.28\|172.70.90.28]] 12:54, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
−	:Per wikipedia, a study in the 19th century pegged the mean (without mentioning the variance) at 36.88 C / 98.38 F, which are equally precise. That got commonly reported as 37 C / 98.4 F, which loses more precision on the Celsius value than on the Fahrenheit value, but those are both reasonable ways to round the values in and of themselves. Then apparently someone noticed that precisely 37 C converts to precisely 98.6 F, and started reporting 37 C / 98.6 F. So, yes, the Fahrenheit value is overly precise. (But the typical range now is reported as 36.5–37.5 C / 97.7–99.5 F, and given that body temperature is generally higher when we're awake, it seems likely that "you're probably higher just now." ~~https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_body_temperature#Historical_understanding~~ [[Special:Contributions/162.158.154.30\|162.158.154.30]] 22:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)	+	:Per wikipedia, a study in the 19th century pegged the mean (without mentioning the variance) at 36.88 C / 98.38 F, which are equally precise. That got commonly reported as 37 C / 98.4 F, which loses more precision on the Celsius value than on the Fahrenheit value, but those are both reasonable ways to round the values in and of themselves. Then apparently someone noticed that precisely 37 C converts to precisely 98.6 F, and started reporting 37 C / 98.6 F. So, yes, the Fahrenheit value is overly precise. (But the typical range now is reported as 36.5–37.5 C / 97.7–99.5 F, and given that body temperature is generally higher when we're awake, it seems likely that "you're probably higher just now."[[Special:Contributions/162.158.154.30\|162.158.154.30]] 22:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)