Talk:2941: Cell Organelles

I'm a little disappointed there isn't a continuous endoplasmic reticulum with a zigzag in it. Rogue mathematician away 172.71.154.77 19:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry about the edit conflicts, attempting to fix.... 108.162.245.237 20:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Re [1] is LLM use forbidden? I recall we have several ChatGPT-authored explanations, and had an ongoing discussion back when it was new. In any case, I've proofread and vouch for it, so I'm replacing the text. I encourage anyone who's bothered by it to paraphrase instead of delete. 108.162.245.237 21:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

If you've got the time to check AI-generated content properly and agree that it's what you would have written, you've got time to write it from scratch exactly how you'd have written it. And you get dangerously close to just putting in AI-content without checking at all, which right now is remains foolhardy.

But, most of all, anything anyone submits can be changed by anyone else, and I don't know who picked up on it being AI and dealt with it the way they did, but only consensus can truly resolve where any attempt to impose an edit leads. 162.158.74.119 22:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I almost completely agree with you for Wikipedia (I'd just change 'would' to 'could') and similar wikis, but it's undeniable that ExplainXkcd is different in some very substantial and obvious ways, many of which bear on whether to utilize AI. In particular, I would accept pretty much anything that helps explain the comic whether authored by human, machine, animal, or alien, but not hesitate for a second to, as the text below the Summary text input box says, edit it "mercilessly" whether I thought it was LLM-generated or not. But I wouldn't delete an even barely serviceable explanation just because I thought it came from an LLM, even if it was objectively low quality. I would try to improve it, which almost never means starting over from scratch. I'm not sure I believe the same is true for humans, who often insert, e.g., vandalism, trolling, or extremely undue and/or fringe topic passages. If an LLM is doing that, there's probably a human behind it. 108.162.245.17 00:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Both the paragraphs and the table have been edited far enough from what ChatGPT pretty obviously came up with (almost all of which I would say merit inclusion unaltered, looking at the initial edits; although there is evidence that the LLM output was copyedited and wikilinked in a way that it would probably not do, i.e., we use the {{w}} template here which is not at all a Mediawiki standard, the Wikimedia wikis having a different form [[w:...]]) so that whatever deleterious LLM contamination they had has surely been beat out of them at this stage. Perhaps the GenAI deletionist is trying to encourage others to not fall prey to reliance on LLMs? A worthy goal, but I agree paraphrasing is far superior. 172.69.34.180 01:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Re: the chloroplasts explanation: how do we know that this is an animal cell? (Would be good to say why...) -- Dtgriscom (talk) 22:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

The cell has a membrane instead of a wall. 162.158.90.199 22:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

No, that’s human skin. Usb-rave (talk) 00:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

There are lots of organisms out there that have plastids (chloroplasts) and do not have cell walls ... that, in fact, do not fit the common conception of either 'plant' or 'animal'. Euglena might still be the most famous example - Euglena is more closely related to the protozoa that cause trypanosomiasis than to either plants or animals - but there are many others, and it's a deep rabbit hole. 162.158.41.117 18:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

And speaking of "lucky to have them", did you know that plastids are worth stealing? 172.68.23.200 21:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, the rule of thumb is of course a generalization worthy of chemistry "rules" -- the bone cell being perhaps the most obvious uncategorizable corner case of several. 172.71.150.236 02:12, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Why does Golgi look like an alien, he's so little and cute. Wtf. Psychoticpotato (talk) 23:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

You know what I would like to see from AI? A tiny white Grey Golgi alien working in the cytoplasm to build his apparatus. Please see below. 172.71.147.106 03:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Should 2732: Bursa of Fabricius be referenced? It feels like the Golgi Apparatus is making a similar joke, if somewhat inverted. Dkfenger (talk) 01:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

To me, 'Drain plug' is an engine oil-drain plug. Yes it is a bolt, rarely used in biological systems. But a cell and an engine are normally full of fluid, while plumbing sinks are normally empty. --PRR (talk) 02:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

To me it's about as often something you would find in a kitchen or bathroom sink, especially if the plumbing was from the 1970s or earlier. Honestly I'm too young to know when sink plugs fell out of favor to levers. In any case, an actual hole in the cell membrane is almost always a potentially mortal wound, and few cells have any means of repairing all but the smallest tears. 172.70.207.197 02:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello there! 👋 I think you guys mixed up midichlorian and mitochondria explanations. 👋 You surely will want to fix that. 👋 Also, you want to make me a sandwich. 172.70.85.177 05:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

LGTM. 172.71.146.218 09:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm a little bit disappointed that there's no Sulawesi hidden in there. This is the sort of comci you'd expect it in. Elektrizikekswerk (talk) 06:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm disappointed that, alongside the drain plug, there isn't a pain drug.172.69.195.183 12:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

It would have had to have been a generic. 172.71.147.141 03:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Generic, or genetic?172.70.90.123 09:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

I dislike that this table is in alphabetical order instead of the top-down order they were meant to be read.172.70.231.39 10:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

"Fixed." Click the column heading to return to alphabetical order. 162.158.186.196 17:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to fail my Biology exam tomorrow because of this :( (talk) 11:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Just wanted to leave a message to the person who added the 'citation needed' footnote to the remark that Golgi was not and is not an alien in our cells: Your, dear person, made my day. Thanks a ton! 172.70.250.43 08:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC) c-schroed

Golgi by AI art contest

Survey questions: (1) Which of these do you like the best? https://ibb.co/album/68tCSn Can you do better?

(2) Does anyone know how to make AI animations like those? 172.71.142.181 03:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Nucleolus

Wouldn't "Nucleololus" be a better continuation to "Nucleus" and "Nucleolus", with each term getting one more "ol" between "e" and the second "u"? 172.71.222.50 08:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)