Talk:1645: Toasts

Are we sure "single-payer" is not a typo, making it "single-player" to fit with "RealPlayer"? 162.158.202.144 11:18, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

That's what I thought as well. Maplestrip (talk) 11:19, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes it is not a typo as Single-payer refers to Single-payer healthcare as now explained above. --Kynde (talk) 12:27, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Randall often corrects comic with errors, and if it had been an error he would probably also have spotted it by now, and it has not changed on xkcd. --Kynde (talk) 14:14, 22 February 2016 (UTC)--

It seems correct. It is rather abstract, but I guess single-payer here is considered a good thing and RealPlayer a bad thing. Added to rime that a a different type of "player" might be what his single friends need.162.158.90.165 22:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain this comic is in reference to the "Fall Out Boy" song, entitled "Champagne For My Real Friends And Real Pain For My Sham Friends", from their 2005 album "From Under The Cork Tree"; though he could also be referencing Francis Bacon, Tom Waits, the television show Happy Days, the show One Tree Hill, or Spike Lee's "25th Hour". If you do a Google search for the phrase, it requires some exclusions (like -"fall out boy") to prevent that song from dominating the first page of results. It's one of their most famous titles.108.162.216.48 12:00, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Please just include links to these relevant songs etc. in the explanation. And thanks for the comment. --Kynde (talk) 12:27, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Turns out it was an old quote so not to this song but both are now mentioned in the explanation.--Kynde (talk) 13:51, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Quote from early explantion: White Hat thus wish that his real friends have access to free health care, and all his single friends will get RealPlayer. Maybe he wishes to impress these singles with a present and hope he gets lucky. (If it has been Hairy this would have seemed very likely… see 1178: Pickup Artists. White Hat has not previously displayed thse tendencies to clearly).

I doubt this. RealPlayer was a terrible piece of software nobody wanted and was often bundled with spyware (see wikipedia) 141.101.70.121 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Well I wrote it and disagree. Since it has been on the market for 10 years, and has just been updated, then it cannot be that terrible, and I cannot find what you say should be on Wikipedia to show that it should be bad still at present. But of course if it has just been upgraded to a new name, then giving the old app is not so hot. Has addressed this in the explanation. Aqlso please feel free to update something you find in error yourself ;-) --Kynde (talk) 12:27, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

You wrote the source code for RealPlayer or the explantation here? If first you should know why it has such a bad reputation, if second: RealPlayer was some time ago bundled with spyware that sent unique ID's with other userdata to a server, also it had several other problems and is considered by several tech magazines as one of the worst software programs. It might not mention that in the english wikipedia but the german has a section for it. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealPlayer#Kritik To stay on topic: Maybe he wishes his single friends RealPlayer so they need his help to get the malware off their computers and he can impress them? Is way more probable from my experience. Bobylein (talk) 12:43, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

I wrote the explanation! And to stay in English for those who are not native Germans... we can also take the English wiki link to the critique! ;-) As I can read from that it was in 1999 and 2007 that it was bad, and as this is now 9 years ago at least, and they keep updating it, the errors may have been improved out? Why would anyone else continue to make it better or using it? But again feel free to update the explanation even more with these kinds of info. I still think it is not so bad to get a free app, unless it is the spy ware version. I expect this doesn't exist anymore, and it is not explicitly stated that he would give them that.--Kynde (talk) 12:53, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

None of these negative interpretations of RealPlayer fit with White Hat's personality.--Nekoninda 13:34, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

There's more to realplayer than adware. Realaudio/realvideo were among the first streaming media formats on the internet. As such, it was used at that time by many adult-oriented sites offering streaming video. It is very possible that the single friends of White Hat might be interested by such media. 173.245.49.25 13:04, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Guys, it's a porn joke... Guys?.. *headdesk* I love you guys xerxesbeat (talk) 20:00, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

This is the first comic with Hair Bun Girl since Jkshapiro proposed a name change to for instance Hairbun. I take this chance to get more comments on this subject by posting his note, that is now posted on her site: Should Hair Bun Girl be renamed to Hairbun? See here --Kynde (talk) 13:04, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

As a non-native speaker, when I first read it, I though "petty friends" could mean "pet animals" and "real coats" would then refer to them having real fur as coats - which is often an aspect animal friends don't like on certain rich people (wearing real fur coats), but completely normal for the animals itself. Also "Realplayer", aside from its repuration as not-so-useable software, is used for video streaming, including on porn sites. So (male?) "single friends", being single, might have to resort using Realplayer/porn to satisfy their needs. Zefiro (talk) 13:16, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

In regard to the second tile, I read it at first to mean that the girl's real friends are pseudopods and that all her human acquaintances are "pseudo-friends". This would be like a stereotypical "lab nerd". Doesn't track with any other slide, but I thought it might add to the conversation... 108.162.221.15 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

"Real bugs" for my "Lady Friends" - I took that as having sexual undertones. But maybe that was just me. --188.114.106.47 19:14, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

The last panel with Beret Guy might be a reference to any French expression using "faucon" ("hawk", sounds like "false cunt") and "vrai con" ("real cunt"). Sorry about the language by the way, but that's exactly what "con" mean, both literally and figuratively. A French equivalent to "Champagne for My Real Friends, Real Pain for My Sham Friends" would likely use those—although I can't think about a perfect one. It's usually along the lines "Quelle différence entre toi et un oiseau? Le faucon est un oiseau, toi t'es un vrai con." meaning "What's the difference between a bird and you? The hawk is a bird, you're a real cunt." Also, the current explanation seems really far-fetched to me. 141.101.104.159 20:26, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Made the edit. Feel free to argue. 141.101.104.159 03:47, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Firstly, I must disagree about "Fauxhawk", that "This IS" a reference to "faucon"/the french version of this phrase. I might go along with "might be". "Fauxhawk" is a word that really is used in the English language, for the described hairstyle. This connection seems only to be a mild coincidence, something better suited to a Trivia section (it DOES make for an interesting tidbit, but too obscure to be on purpose). Seems like a happy accident.

Secondly, I remain unconvinced about "Single-Payer" not being a typo. Seems like a weird term, uncommon. Maybe this is just because I'm Canadian, maybe this term is very wide-spread to Americans, but due to American TV and content we DO hear a lot of American terms. If the intent was indeed to be "single-player", this could be a reference to how more and more video games these days focus on multiplayer/online play, many of which neglect the single-player content, to the point where it seems like the game makers are assuming nobody is interested. As such, this would mean wishing quality single-player gameplay for their real friends.

Thirdly, about "pods". I understood it to mean "human container", like a stasis pod or escape pod (a common term for the spaceship equivalent of a lifeboat) Examples of such pods would include where Ripley "stored" herself at the end of Aliens, into the beginning of the next movie, or how baby Superman was transported to Earth. So, this person would be wishing these friends go into stasis, that their fake friends simply go away.

And YAY! As of this comic I'm caught up, I've now read every xkcd starting from #1! :) - NiceGuy1198.41.235.215 07:36, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

The cunt reference is far-fetched. Have removed it. It off course remains here. Also: Yes it is not a typo as Single-payer refers to Single-payer healthcare as now explained above. (And also noted at the top of this discussion page)--Kynde (talk) 13:51, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Is it just me, or does the fact that several of the words also are the names of cocktails (Ladybug, Tumbleweed) have any significance? 162.158.203.146 09:23, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

My initial reaction to this thought was "no", seeing as those drinks aren't that widespread, for example I feel like I might have heard those cocktail names, but if so rarely and I've no idea as to their contents (i.e. as opposed to drinks like a Screwdriver, a Mimosa or a Black Russian, drinks which are rather universal, such that most adults probably know what's in them). However, on reflection, the original toast names a drink, toasts involve drinking, and both of those items - Ladybugs and Tumbleweeds - make for unpleasant gifts. So now I think this might be a genuine possibility. Does anybody know of any drinks sharing a name with any of the others? ("Single-payer" seems unlikely, but "Pseudopod" for example?) - NiceGuy1108.162.218.160 10:00, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

I think that for some of the more strange thing to hand out to friends it makes sense that they refeer to the drinks as mentioned - there is even a beer called fauxhawks... I will add this to the explanation for those where there is a drink with that name. --Kynde (talk) 14:05, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

If a wiki mod/admin comes by there was a user who replaced the comments with spam. Codingale (talk) 13:43, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Noted and blocked. Davidy²²[talk] 18:27, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

I have found one other situation same user, who deleted entire 1613. Have reverted the change.--Kynde (talk) 18:55, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Shampoo for my real friends; real poo for my sham friends. 108.162.236.37 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Shamrock for my real friends; real rock for my sham friends. Mumiemonstret (talk) 08:28, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Shampoo in your wonder hair... 162.158.255.84 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Are we sure that the title text isn't a reference to Plato's idealised metaphysical forms (which would include the Platonic solids), which stand in contrast to their imperfect instantiations in the real world? 141.101.70.20 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

ShamWows for my real friends; real shams for my WOW friends. 108.162.218.77 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

psuedopods?

I rather get the feeling that the blond lady is into tentacle porn. She wants her friends to be violated by them.... 198.41.235.11 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Could 'real solids' refer to diet? When one has been sick, they are often on a liquid diet, and proceed to soft foods like gelatin desserts before moving back to 'real solids'. Given the number of drinks involved, this seems possible to me. 173.245.54.43 22:20, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

I think it might be worth noting that dice for tabletop games (particularly role playing games such as D&D) tend to be shaped after the platonic solids. Perhaps Randall is suggesting a gaming session with his real friends. davidgro (talk) 01:21, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

It may be important to note that the petticoats for my real friends and real coats for my petty friends may be sexual. She sleeps with her real friends but just gives jackets to petty friends.