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The image shows fields of human life that would be greatly improved and/or allowed a certain people to make a lot of money if some " Weird phenomenons " things were working in reality or were testable and usable concepts. Weird phenomenons in this case meaning counter-intuitive things that usually go against "common sense" and which the science hasn't investigated to the full yet (or didn't find any evidence of in the first place, making claims completely unscientific). As the comic tries to prove, if there were commercial use for it and proofs of it working, there will be high investment made in the technology to use and harness such concepts. So far, only relativity and quantum electrodynamics have found some use in the real world (because they are scientific concepts, as compared to all the other ones).
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The image shows fields of human life that would be greatly improved and/or allow certain people to make a lot of money if some crazy phenomena (mostly {{w|paranormal}}) actually worked in reality or were testable and usable concepts. Crazy phenomena, in this case, means counter-intuitive things that go against common sense and which science often contradicts (though relativity and QM are a major part of physics, they are still counterintuitive and could be considered to sound crazy). As the comic tries to prove, if there were commercial use for it and proofs of it working, there will be high investment made in the technology to use and harness such concepts.
  
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The non-scientific, disproved concepts trying to pass as real and scientific are as follows:
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So far only {{w|Theory of relativity|relativity}} and {{w|quantum electrodynamics}} have major evidence backing them. Specifically, the theory of relativity is heavily embedded into how your {{w|Global Positioning System|Global Positioning System (GPS)}} device synchronizes with satellites a hundred miles in the air and calculates your current position. The design of modern circuit-boards and other electronic devices is influenced by quantum electrodynamics — smartphones or high capacity hard drives wouldn't be possible without this theory.
  
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*'''{{w|Remote viewing}}:''' Alleged ability to see and know things far away with the strength of your mind, without physically being in that place and using technology (cameras, TV screens and so on).
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The non-scientific/disproved concepts trying to pass as real and scientific are:
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*'''{{w|Dowsing}}:''' Alleged supernatural ability to sense, using two dowsing rods/sticks/pieces of metal where hidden valuables or underground water/oil supplies are.
 
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**Both dowsing and remote viewing would have cut great costs to oil companies, because it would have made finding new oil sources easier.
 
  
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*'''{{w|Aura (paranormal)|Auras}}:''' Non-scientific belief that every human has invisible "energy field" that can effect their health and feelings.
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*'''{{w|Remote viewing}}:''' Alleged ability to see and know things far away with the strength of your mind, without physically being in that place or using technology (cameras, TV screens and so on).
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*'''{{w|Homeopathy}}:''' Non-scientific belief that the more diluted the remedy, the more effective it is, and that a remedy (before dilution) should cause similar symptoms to the disease. Often diluted so much that less than one molecule of the original substance will remain, on average. Completely untrue and proven no more effective than a placebo (i.e., not at all). Often advertised as "alternative medicine", which means not a medicine at all.
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*'''{{w|Dowsing}}:''' Alleged supernatural ability to sense, using two dowsing rods/sticks/pieces of metal where underground water/oil supplies or hidden valuables are.
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*'''{{w|Prayer#Prayer_healing|Remote Prayer}}:''' Non-scientific belief. Trying to help a person with their health problems by praying/pleading to a greater supernatural force to help them get better. Scientifically proven not to work, even sometimes having a detrimental effect if the person knew they were prayed to.
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**Both dowsing and remote viewing would have greatly cut costs to oil companies, because it would have made finding new oil sources easier.  The U.S. Army did seriously study remote viewing and other paranormal abilities in a series of programs collectively known as the {{w|Stargate Project}}, depicted in the 2004 book and 2009 film {{w|The Men Who Stare at Goats (film)|''The Men Who Stare at Goats''}}; however, the project was concluded in 1995 after reviews concluded that the rate of successful divination of actionable intelligence was no greater than that of random chance.
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**All three would have revolutionized healthcare if proven to work, which is very, very unlikely.
 
  
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*'''{{w|Astrology}}:''' Trying to predict the future by studying the motions of the planets for answers. Non-scientific and very popular belief that tries to look scientific; was a major focus of {{w|astronomy}} until science began to disprove it in the 1600s.
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*'''{{w|Aura (paranormal)|Auras}}:''' Non-scientific belief that every human has an invisible "energy field" that can reveal and/or affect their health and feelings.
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*'''{{w|Homeopathy}}:''' Pseudoscientific belief that the more diluted a remedy, the more effective it is, and that the remedy should, before dilution, cause similar symptoms to the disease it is said to cure. These "remedies" are often diluted so much that, usually, not even a single molecule of the original substance will remain. It is completely untrue, and proven no more effective than a placebo, so one can instead use much cheaper non-'treated' glucose and have the same effect. It is often advertised as an "alternative medicine".
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*'''{{w|Prayer#Prayer_healing|Remote Prayer}}:''' Non-scientific belief. Trying to help a person with their health problems by praying/pleading to a greater supernatural force to help them get better. While we're not ones to rag on anybody's religion, we don't have scientific proof or empirical evidence of it working; if anything, intercessory prayer seems to sometimes have a ''detrimental'' effect if the person knows they are prayed for (most probably due  to causing extra stress).
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**All three would have revolutionized healthcare if proven to work, which is very, very unlikely.  {{w|Tim Minchin}} remarked in his beat poem ''Storm'' (released the year before this comic, adapted into an animated short film the year after) that "alternative medicine that's been proved to work" is simply..."medicine".
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*'''{{w|Astrology}}:''' Trying to predict the future by studying the motions of the planets for answers - a non-scientific and very popular belief that tries to look scientific; this was a major focus of {{w|astronomy}} until science began to disprove it in the 1600s.
 
*'''{{w|Divinatory, esoteric and occult tarot|Tarot}}:''' Trying to predict the future through dealing a {{w|Tarot deck|special deck of cards}}.  
 
*'''{{w|Divinatory, esoteric and occult tarot|Tarot}}:''' Trying to predict the future through dealing a {{w|Tarot deck|special deck of cards}}.  
 
**Both would have revolutionized our business planning, saving lots of money and lives, if true.
 
**Both would have revolutionized our business planning, saving lots of money and lives, if true.
  
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*'''{{w|Crystal healing|Crystal energy}}:''' Non-scientific belief that crystals can store {{w|Energy (esotericism)|"soul energy"}} which can be tapped into and used by human beings. Not true at all.
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*'''{{w|Crystal healing|Crystal energy}}:''' Non-scientific belief that crystals can store {{w|Energy (esotericism)|"soul energy"}} which can be tapped into and used by human beings.
 
**If true and correct, it would have revolutionized the world's technology by replacing energy sources with crystals.
 
**If true and correct, it would have revolutionized the world's technology by replacing energy sources with crystals.
  
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**If it were true, the military use of such would have proliferated rather quickly.
 
**If it were true, the military use of such would have proliferated rather quickly.
  
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The title text points out that many people believe still believe in non-scientific, unproven and disproved phenomena, thus it's still possible to make money by selling those phenomena to them.
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The title text points out that many people still believe in non-scientific, unproven, and disproved phenomena; thus, it's possible to make a lot of money by selling those (claimed) phenomena to such people (although knowingly selling non-existent phenomena, while claiming that they work, would be fraud, and thus illegal).
  
 
==Transcript==
 
==Transcript==
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:[A table is labeled with three columns: Crazy phenomenon, If it worked, people would be using it to make a killing in...; and Are they?]
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:[A three-column table. The headings are actually standing above the table.]
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:Remote Viewing, Dowsing - Oil Prospecting -
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:Auras, Homeopathy, Remote Prayer - Health Care Cost Reduction -
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:Astrology, Tarot - Financial Business Planning -
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:{| class="wikitable alternance"
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:Crystal Energy - Regular Energy -
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! Crazy<br/>phenomenon
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:Curses, Hexes - The Military -
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! If it worked, companies<br/>would be using it to<br/>make a killing in...
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:Relativity - GPS Devices - X
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! Are<br/>they?
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:Quantum Electrodynamics - Semiconductor Circuit Design - X
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|-
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| Remote Viewing
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| rowspan = 2 | Oil Prospecting
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|
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|-
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| Dowsing
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|
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|-
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| Auras
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| rowspan = 3 | Health Care<br/>Cost Reduction
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|
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|-
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| Homeopathy
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|
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|-
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| Remote Prayer
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|
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|-
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| Astrology
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| rowspan = 2 | Financial/Business<br/>Planning
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|
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|-
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| Tarot
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|
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|-
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| Crystal Energy
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| Regular Energy
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|
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|-
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| Curses, Hexes
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| The Military
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|
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|-
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| Relativity
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| GPS Devices
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| style="text-align:center;" | ✓
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|-
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| Quantum<br/>Electrodynamics
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| Semiconductor<br/>Circuit Design
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| style="text-align:center;" | ✓
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|}
  
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:Eventually, arguing that these things work means arguing that modern capitalism isn't THAT ruthlessly profit-focused.
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:Eventually, arguing that these things work means arguing that modern capitalism isn't ''that'' ruthlessly profit-focused.
  
 
{{comic discussion}}
 
{{comic discussion}}
 
[[Category:Charts]]
 
[[Category:Charts]]
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[[Category:Physics]]
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[[Category:Paranormal]]

Latest revision as of 22:28, 10 September 2023

The Economic Argument
Not to be confused with 'making money selling this stuff to OTHER people who think it works', which corporate accountants and actuaries have zero problems with.
Title text: Not to be confused with 'making money selling this stuff to OTHER people who think it works', which corporate accountants and actuaries have zero problems with.

Explanation[edit]

The image shows fields of human life that would be greatly improved and/or allow certain people to make a lot of money if some crazy phenomena (mostly paranormal) actually worked in reality or were testable and usable concepts. Crazy phenomena, in this case, means counter-intuitive things that go against common sense and which science often contradicts (though relativity and QM are a major part of physics, they are still counterintuitive and could be considered to sound crazy). As the comic tries to prove, if there were commercial use for it and proofs of it working, there will be high investment made in the technology to use and harness such concepts.

So far only relativity and quantum electrodynamics have major evidence backing them. Specifically, the theory of relativity is heavily embedded into how your Global Positioning System (GPS) device synchronizes with satellites a hundred miles in the air and calculates your current position. The design of modern circuit-boards and other electronic devices is influenced by quantum electrodynamics — smartphones or high capacity hard drives wouldn't be possible without this theory.

The non-scientific/disproved concepts trying to pass as real and scientific are:

  • Remote viewing: Alleged ability to see and know things far away with the strength of your mind, without physically being in that place or using technology (cameras, TV screens and so on).
  • Dowsing: Alleged supernatural ability to sense, using two dowsing rods/sticks/pieces of metal where underground water/oil supplies or hidden valuables are.
    • Both dowsing and remote viewing would have greatly cut costs to oil companies, because it would have made finding new oil sources easier. The U.S. Army did seriously study remote viewing and other paranormal abilities in a series of programs collectively known as the Stargate Project, depicted in the 2004 book and 2009 film The Men Who Stare at Goats; however, the project was concluded in 1995 after reviews concluded that the rate of successful divination of actionable intelligence was no greater than that of random chance.
  • Auras: Non-scientific belief that every human has an invisible "energy field" that can reveal and/or affect their health and feelings.
  • Homeopathy: Pseudoscientific belief that the more diluted a remedy, the more effective it is, and that the remedy should, before dilution, cause similar symptoms to the disease it is said to cure. These "remedies" are often diluted so much that, usually, not even a single molecule of the original substance will remain. It is completely untrue, and proven no more effective than a placebo, so one can instead use much cheaper non-'treated' glucose and have the same effect. It is often advertised as an "alternative medicine".
  • Remote Prayer: Non-scientific belief. Trying to help a person with their health problems by praying/pleading to a greater supernatural force to help them get better. While we're not ones to rag on anybody's religion, we don't have scientific proof or empirical evidence of it working; if anything, intercessory prayer seems to sometimes have a detrimental effect if the person knows they are prayed for (most probably due to causing extra stress).
    • All three would have revolutionized healthcare if proven to work, which is very, very unlikely. Tim Minchin remarked in his beat poem Storm (released the year before this comic, adapted into an animated short film the year after) that "alternative medicine that's been proved to work" is simply..."medicine".
  • Astrology: Trying to predict the future by studying the motions of the planets for answers - a non-scientific and very popular belief that tries to look scientific; this was a major focus of astronomy until science began to disprove it in the 1600s.
  • Tarot: Trying to predict the future through dealing a special deck of cards.
    • Both would have revolutionized our business planning, saving lots of money and lives, if true.
  • Crystal energy: Non-scientific belief that crystals can store "soul energy" which can be tapped into and used by human beings.
    • If true and correct, it would have revolutionized the world's technology by replacing energy sources with crystals.
  • Curses and hexes: Non-scientific belief that a person can cause supernatural harm to people and things by doing certain magical rituals and mouthing magical words.
    • If it were true, the military use of such would have proliferated rather quickly.

The title text points out that many people still believe in non-scientific, unproven, and disproved phenomena; thus, it's possible to make a lot of money by selling those (claimed) phenomena to such people (although knowingly selling non-existent phenomena, while claiming that they work, would be fraud, and thus illegal).

Transcript[edit]

[A three-column table. The headings are actually standing above the table.]


Crazy
phenomenon 		If it worked, companies
would be using it to
make a killing in... 		Are
they?
Remote Viewing Oil Prospecting
Dowsing
Auras Health Care
Cost Reduction
Homeopathy
Remote Prayer
Astrology Financial/Business
Planning
Tarot
Crystal Energy Regular Energy
Curses, Hexes The Military
Relativity GPS Devices ✓
Quantum
Electrodynamics 		Semiconductor
Circuit Design 		✓
Eventually, arguing that these things work means arguing that modern capitalism isn't that ruthlessly profit-focused.


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Discussion

Sorry if this seems like it is not proofread, English is my second language so I used spellchecker as much as I could. No grammar checker, though :(. I won't be making any more redirects, either. So, there's that. Youngstormlord (talk) 12:54, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

The Reagans used astrology to run USA. When he sacked all the air traffic controllers he must have saved a fortune in paraffin.

Does remote viewing include looking at contour maps because I am working on that. 1. Are you sure that the oil industry has tried it? 2. Are you sure it doesn't work?

How does one decide which value of T or t to use for relativity equations? Is it on the list? I used Google News BEFORE it was clickbait (talk) 00:48, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Have you read Grey Matter, by David Levy? He uses prayer in neurosurgery, but he doesn't get paid more for it.

Why is "weird phenomena" in quotes when the comic uses the phrase "crazy phenomenon"? 108.162.238.76 02:40, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, the U.S. Military, through its contractor Stanford Research Institute, in the 1970s spent $20 million researching remote viewing as a military spy tool, in part out of fear of a Russian ESP-gap. 173.245.54.36 20:11, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Companies ARE already making a killing in "health care cost reductions" through homeopathy and such, by selling homeopathic medicine and services to gullible fools who believe it can cure their very expensive diseases, and believing they are saving tons of money in doing so. Doesn't mean that it works though. I like the comic, but the premise is a bit short-sighted. 162.158.126.4 12:56, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

I guess reading the title text is just way too difficult. 172.68.47.222 07:30, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

No explanation as to the references to corporate accountants and actuaries? Perhaps they offer services which are only "believed" to work? 108.162.242.9 16:53, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

In 2021 Polish government put forward a tender for 300 mobile field altars. So you could add a line: (Column 1) Prayer (Column 2) Military (Column 3) Yes, someome does that. 162.158.103.64 21:37, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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