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(Explanation: Though it does go into how an outlying improbable answer is often the correct answer (ignoring far more probable ones), I think it more says that you really shouldn't be insisting that it is all like that (either in reality or fiction).)
(Explanation: More neutral tone on Cueball's position and the difficulty of correctly classifying all non-true possibilities as impossible)
 
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The discussion in this comic plays upon the phrase originating from the fictional Sherlock Holmes (and therefore also his author, Arthur Conan-Doyle) that "[https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/1196-when-you-have-eliminated-all-which-is-impossible-then-whatever When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth,]" which describes Holmes's {{w|abductive reasoning}} used to solve the crimes and mysteries set before him.
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The discussion in this comic plays upon the phrase originating from the fictional Sherlock Holmes (and therefore also his author, {{w|Arthur Conan-Doyle}}) that "[https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/1196-when-you-have-eliminated-all-which-is-impossible-then-whatever When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth,]" which describes Holmes's {{w|abductive reasoning}} used to solve the crimes and mysteries set before him. The point of the original statement is that {{tvtropes|RealityIsUnrealistic|something being ''unlikely'' does not make it ''untrue''}}, and ignoring reality because it is "unlikely" is both absurd and counterproductive to the process of solving a problem.
  
[[White Hat]] is expounding this principle, to [[Cueball]], as some key part of logic for some undisclosed purpose. Cueball argues that human error - namely, making a mistake in the 'elimination' process - is also possible, and claims that the logic is faulty on this premise. When White Hat points out that the logic is a guideline for problem-solving, Cueball argues that the possibility of human error when operating on this logic makes the logic unsound.
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[[White Hat]] is expounding this principle, to [[Cueball]], as a logical step for some undisclosed purpose. Cueball argues that human error - namely, making a mistake in the 'elimination' process - is also possible, and claims that the logic is faulty on this premise. When White Hat points out that the logic is a guideline for problem-solving, Cueball argues that the possibility of human error when operating on this logic makes the approach unsound. If there is one true version of events, then finding it by this process requires classifying all other possibilities as impossible. While that might be possible for a constrained problem like a detective story or multi-option question, many daily situations require eliminating vast numbers of possibilities while lacking sufficient information to be truly sure that the possibilities have been exhausted.
  
This, of course, ignores the entire point of the original statement: {{tvtropes|RealityIsUnrealistic|something being ''unlikely'' does not make it ''untrue''}}, and ignoring reality because it is "unlikely" is both absurd and counterproductive to the process of solving a problem.
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In the final panel, Cueball demonstrates a practical example of human error causing this issue. When a person is looking for their possessions, their first option is to search the house in which they presently are, while their second option is to search their mode of transportation (especially in the case of possessions that are regularly brought to and from other locations). White Hat agrees that he himself has been in the situation where he has searched the entire house, not found what he is looking for, assumes it is in the car, and then fails to locate it in the car as well. There are other possibilities, but  the tendency to jump to conclusions (possibly by misuse of the quote) can lead to those being ignored. Additional possibilities:
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* The house has not been fully searched, with the item left in some obscured corner, a clothing pocket that is in the laundry, or even a vent or pipe that one could not practically access.
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* The car has not been fully searched, because the item slid between two seats or was deeper in a glove compartment than the searcher thought possible.
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* It is common for people to fail to see a thing even though it is present, sometimes even clearly in view, because of momentary cognitive glitching, {{w|The Purloined Letter|poor assumptions}}, or more fundamental cognitive failures such as {{w|visual agnosia}}. Another Holmes quotation is relevant: "[https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/205730-you-see-but-you-do-not-observe You see, but you do not observe.]"
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* The searcher forgets that they took the item to some other location, or wishfully ignores that possibility because it is far away and/or inconvenient to search.
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* The searcher has never taken the item anywhere other than the house or car, but is unaware that someone or something else moved it.
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* The item may have been destroyed or altered in a way that makes it unrecognizable when found.
  
In the final panel, Cueball demonstrates a practical example of human error causing this issue. When a person is looking for their possessions, their first option is to search the house in which they presently are, while their second option is to search their mode of transportation (especially in the case of possessions that are regularly brought to and from other locations). White Hat agrees that he himself has been in the situation where he has searched the entire house, not found what he is looking for, assumes it is in the car, and then fails to locate it in the car as well. This, too, demonstrates the failing in Cueball's argument against the logic: there are other locations besides "in my house" and "in my car",{{Citation needed}} and so even in the instance that the searcher ''has'', in fact, searched every location in the house, they have not finished eliminating the impossible. Indeed, many people have searched both their home and their car (thoroughly and repeatedly) and ultimately found the object they were looking for in another building entirely.
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The title text goes further in deconstructing how the quote might result in a logically incorrect {{w|argument from ignorance}}. Although, in fiction, there is a {{tvtropes|TheoryOfNarrativeCausality|Law of Narrative Causality}}, by which events are successfully resolved in the way that the plot requires them to be resolved, stating this approach as a logical rule would normally be {{tvtropes|LampshadeHanging|narratively unsatisfyingly}}.
 
 
In the title text, it goes further in deconstructing how it might result in a logically incorrect {{w|argument from ignorance}}. Although, in fiction, there is a {{tvtropes|TheoryOfNarrativeCausality|Law of Narrative Causality}}, in which things are successfully resolved in the way that the plot requires them to be resolved, stating it quite so clearly would also normally be {{tvtropes|LampshadeHanging|narratively unsatisfyingly}}.
 
  
 
==Transcript==
 
==Transcript==
 
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[White Hat and Cueball are standing together and talking. White Hat has one hand slightly raised.]
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:[White Hat and Cueball are standing together and talking. White Hat has one hand slightly raised.]
 
:White Hat: As Sherlock Holmes said,
 
:White Hat: As Sherlock Holmes said,
 
:White Hat: When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
 
:White Hat: When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
[Close-up of Cueball's head.]
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:[Close-up of Cueball's head.]
 
:Cueball: What about the possibility that you forgot to eliminate a possibility?
 
:Cueball: What about the possibility that you forgot to eliminate a possibility?
 
:Cueball: Or that you eliminated one incorrectly?
 
:Cueball: Or that you eliminated one incorrectly?
 
:Cueball: Both of those remain, too.
 
:Cueball: Both of those remain, too.
[Zoom back out to show both parties. Cueball is holding his arms out.]
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:[Zoom back out to show both parties. Cueball is holding his arms out.]
 
:White Hat: You're being pedantic.
 
:White Hat: You're being pedantic.
 
:White Hat: It's just a general rule for deduction.
 
:White Hat: It's just a general rule for deduction.
 
:Cueball: But it's a ''bad rule.''
 
:Cueball: But it's a ''bad rule.''
[Cueball is now holding up one finger.]
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:[Cueball is now holding up one finger.]
 
:Cueball: How often have you thought, "I can't find this thing, and I've searched the whole house. The only place I haven't looked is the car, so it ''must'' be there."
 
:Cueball: How often have you thought, "I can't find this thing, and I've searched the whole house. The only place I haven't looked is the car, so it ''must'' be there."
 
:White Hat: ...And then it's never in the car.
 
:White Hat: ...And then it's never in the car.
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Latest revision as of 03:51, 21 February 2026

Eliminating the Impossible
'If you've eliminated a few possibilities and you can't think of any others, your weird theory is proven right' isn't quite as rhetorically compelling.
Title text: 'If you've eliminated a few possibilities and you can't think of any others, your weird theory is proven right' isn't quite as rhetorically compelling.

Explanation[edit]

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The discussion in this comic plays upon the phrase originating from the fictional Sherlock Holmes (and therefore also his author, Arthur Conan-Doyle) that "When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth," which describes Holmes's abductive reasoning used to solve the crimes and mysteries set before him. The point of the original statement is that something being unlikely does not make it untrue, and ignoring reality because it is "unlikely" is both absurd and counterproductive to the process of solving a problem.

White Hat is expounding this principle, to Cueball, as a logical step for some undisclosed purpose. Cueball argues that human error - namely, making a mistake in the 'elimination' process - is also possible, and claims that the logic is faulty on this premise. When White Hat points out that the logic is a guideline for problem-solving, Cueball argues that the possibility of human error when operating on this logic makes the approach unsound. If there is one true version of events, then finding it by this process requires classifying all other possibilities as impossible. While that might be possible for a constrained problem like a detective story or multi-option question, many daily situations require eliminating vast numbers of possibilities while lacking sufficient information to be truly sure that the possibilities have been exhausted.

In the final panel, Cueball demonstrates a practical example of human error causing this issue. When a person is looking for their possessions, their first option is to search the house in which they presently are, while their second option is to search their mode of transportation (especially in the case of possessions that are regularly brought to and from other locations). White Hat agrees that he himself has been in the situation where he has searched the entire house, not found what he is looking for, assumes it is in the car, and then fails to locate it in the car as well. There are other possibilities, but the tendency to jump to conclusions (possibly by misuse of the quote) can lead to those being ignored. Additional possibilities:

  • The house has not been fully searched, with the item left in some obscured corner, a clothing pocket that is in the laundry, or even a vent or pipe that one could not practically access.
  • The car has not been fully searched, because the item slid between two seats or was deeper in a glove compartment than the searcher thought possible.
  • It is common for people to fail to see a thing even though it is present, sometimes even clearly in view, because of momentary cognitive glitching, poor assumptions, or more fundamental cognitive failures such as visual agnosia. Another Holmes quotation is relevant: "You see, but you do not observe."
  • The searcher forgets that they took the item to some other location, or wishfully ignores that possibility because it is far away and/or inconvenient to search.
  • The searcher has never taken the item anywhere other than the house or car, but is unaware that someone or something else moved it.
  • The item may have been destroyed or altered in a way that makes it unrecognizable when found.

The title text goes further in deconstructing how the quote might result in a logically incorrect argument from ignorance. Although, in fiction, there is a Law of Narrative Causality, by which events are successfully resolved in the way that the plot requires them to be resolved, stating this approach as a logical rule would normally be narratively unsatisfyingly.

Transcript[edit]

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[White Hat and Cueball are standing together and talking. White Hat has one hand slightly raised.]
White Hat: As Sherlock Holmes said,
White Hat: When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
[Close-up of Cueball's head.]
Cueball: What about the possibility that you forgot to eliminate a possibility?
Cueball: Or that you eliminated one incorrectly?
Cueball: Both of those remain, too.
[Zoom back out to show both parties. Cueball is holding his arms out.]
White Hat: You're being pedantic.
White Hat: It's just a general rule for deduction.
Cueball: But it's a bad rule.
[Cueball is now holding up one finger.]
Cueball: How often have you thought, "I can't find this thing, and I've searched the whole house. The only place I haven't looked is the car, so it must be there."
White Hat: ...And then it's never in the car.
Cueball: It's never in the car!

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I’ve found that when looking for an item, I’ll search harder and more thoroughly in the places where the item is supposed to be, which is just frustrating and usually unsuccessful. Then I realized that if the item isn’t where it’s supposed to be, then it’s somewhere it isn’t supposed to be - so I start looking in those places. 170.64.111.76 20:51, 20 February 2026 (UTC)

It also assumes exclusion of the middle. MithicSpirit (talk) 20:59, 20 February 2026 (UTC)

These guys sure are some professors of logic (I'm not sure if they own any doghouses, is what I mean). Fephisto (talk) 21:07, 20 February 2026 (UTC)

As and when the Explanation gets written (I imagine that someone's right in the middle of that now), it must be noted that Sherlock Holmes's self-proclaimed "Deductive reasoning" is really Abductive reasoning. (I actually blame Sir Arthur, rather than Sherlock (or 'narrator' Watson), for that error... But then he also believed in fairies, so obviously he's less than perfectly rational.) 81.179.199.253 21:17, 20 February 2026 (UTC)

Well, nobody did do anything with it, in the last hour or so, so I scrawled something pretty basic for others to ruthlessly dismember and 'remember' in their own prefered fashion. 81.179.199.253 22:27, 20 February 2026 (UTC)

I think its pretty nice how this comics number is a countdown from 3. Xkdvd (talk) 22:57, 20 February 2026 (UTC)

By the way, meant to say earlier... just today (well, the day just before the midnight just gone), I spent a few moments trying to help someone find a single glove. They'd looked various places, and I went out to look in the car (twice, actually, because first I just checked the 'normal' places, footwells, door-pockets... then realised I hadn't actually checked the glove-compartment itself (which I don't think I've ever used to store gloves, of course, but I'd have looked silly if I hadn't gone back and checked it once it had occured to me) so out I went again) in order to not find the glove. Cue, later, the revelation that it had been in a bag (in the house) all along. And this was all mere hours before Randall published this comic. So, as we all used to say on the now defunct Fora, "GOOMHR!" 81.179.199.253 00:24, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

It's also possible to miss an item in a space you've searched. For instance, as a 12- or 13-year-old I once concluded that something (I forget what it was) must not be in my room, because I'd partitioned the rectangular box defined by the walls, floor and ceiling and searched each of the partitions. It turned out to be outside that box but still inside my room, because it was on the windowsill. Promethean (talk) 00:39, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

I actually did find it in the car though.--2604:3D09:84:4000:6FFB:F472:7679:FF75 02:34, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
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