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This comic shows, by use on a time-line, an interesting phenomenon where music, fashion, movies and culture created between the years 2000 and 2020 are not commonly grouped into the decade in which they were produced like previous decades. The comic asserts the reason for this is the lack of a single clear term to describe these decades, stating that the term "{{w|2000s}}" is ambiguous (as it could refer to the decade, century or millennium as a whole) and the terms "Aughts" and "Teens" never became the widely accepted terms for these decades. | This comic shows, by use on a time-line, an interesting phenomenon where music, fashion, movies and culture created between the years 2000 and 2020 are not commonly grouped into the decade in which they were produced like previous decades. The comic asserts the reason for this is the lack of a single clear term to describe these decades, stating that the term "{{w|2000s}}" is ambiguous (as it could refer to the decade, century or millennium as a whole) and the terms "Aughts" and "Teens" never became the widely accepted terms for these decades. | ||
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| Decades |
 Title text: In the 90s, our variety radio station used the tagline "the best music of the 70s, 80s, and 90s." After 2000, they switched to "the best music of the 80s, 90s, and today." I figured they'd change again in 2010, but it's 2017 and they're still saying "80s, 90s, and today." I hope radio survives long enough for us to find out how they deal with the 2020s. |
Explanation
This comic shows, by use on a time-line, an interesting phenomenon where music, fashion, movies and culture created between the years 2000 and 2020 are not commonly grouped into the decade in which they were produced like previous decades. The comic asserts the reason for this is the lack of a single clear term to describe these decades, stating that the term "2000s" is ambiguous (as it could refer to the decade, century or millennium as a whole) and the terms "Aughts" and "Teens" never became the widely accepted terms for these decades.
The time-line in the comic stretches into the future (as of the time of publication) and attempts to name the 2020-2029 decade as the 20s, but does so with an uncertain question mark, presumably because it's (presently) an open question whether this dating convention will be reinstated after a 20-year pause. As the comic points out, common vernacular has managed to operate without clear terms for that grouping for 17 years, and that may have left enough of a mark on our thinking that we'll simply continue to operate in that way. There's an argument to be made grouping culture by decades is fairly arbitrary and not essential in cultural discussions. It should also be considered that that "the twenties" is still occasionally used to refer to the 1920's, and so reusing it to refer to the 2020's could be a source of confusion. It's not impossible that decade-based grouping will fall out of favor all together in the 21st century.
The title text talks about Randall's local radio station. In the 90s, they were able to use clear decade groupings. Once the year 2000 hit, they began saying "today", avoiding aughts or 2000s, which, as Randall says, never gained popular support. When 2010 hit, Randall believed they would switch their format, having left the awkwardness of the 00s. However, they kept their format to this day, finishing using teens or 10s to be confusing as well. Randall expresses interest in what change they will include in the 2020s (changing to the 20s or continuing their format), should radio last that long.
Error
Randall writes, presumably by mistake, "and and aughts" in the caption for this comic, instead of "and aughts". This changes the caption from his presumptive goal of "It's weird how for 20 years we stopped grouping our cultural memories by decade because "2000s" is ambiguous and "Aughts" and "Teens" never really stuck." to "It's weird how for 20 years we stopped grouping our cultural memories by decade because "2000s" is ambiguous and and "Aughts" and "Teens" never really stuck."
Transcript
- [A time line across the top of the box marks decades from 1960 to 2030, the labels are above the line and the ticks marking each decade are below.]
- [Label: 1960]
- 60s Music; 60s Fashion; 60s Movies; 60s Culture
- [Label: 1970]
- 70s Music; 70s Fashion; 70s Movies; 70s Culture
- [Label: 1980]
- 80s Music; 80s Fashion; 80s Movies; 80s Culture
- [Label: 1990]
- 90s Music; 90s Fashion; 90s Movies; 90s Culture
- [Label: 2000 and 2010]
- [Items grouped over two decades.]
- Fashion; Culture; Music; Movies
- [Label: 2020]
- [The text is in light grey font.]
- 20s Music?; 20s Fashion?; 20s Movies?; 20s Culture?
- [Label: 2030]
- [Caption below the panel:]
- It's weird how for 20 years we stopped grouping our cultural memories by decade because "2000s" is ambiguous and and "Aughts" and "Teens" never really stuck.
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There seems to be a slightly tongue-in-cheek move to call the 2000's "the noughties" with the obvious implication of 'naughty'. Personally though I'm still waiting for everyone to stop saying "2000 and something, it very annoying! RoyT (talk) 14:38, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
- Some people I know use the term "double-o's" for the period 2001-2009. Perhaps inspired by 007. --Nialpxe, 2017. (Arguments welcome) 02:30, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Where would the descriptor "millennial" (adj) fit on this? I suggest that 00's fads be designated "millennial" and 10's fads be... forgotten. 173.245.48.171 14:57, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Just a quick note to highlight the double "and" in the text: "(...) is ambiguous and and "aughts" (...)" 162.158.6.52 14:43, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Good eyes on the double 'and'. Perhaps the explanation needs a sections about other terms not mentioned here "teensies" "noughties" "tenies" etc. (and perhaps the Aughts aren't used due to cultural differences between Brits and Americans, the former more likely to call them the "Noughts"). Also I assume the title text refers to Randal's local variety radio. WamSam (talk) 15:07, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
- It's no phenomenom of English language. In Germany "80er, 90er und heute" is used quite frequently by several radio stations. Elektrizikekswerk (talk) 06:48, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
- Around here (UK) I'm used to hearing "80s, 90s, and now". Seems a bit weird on a 'classic' radio station who didn't play music from the current decade until the 2k rebranding. - 162.158.154.109 08:37, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
I listen to a radio station that says "90s, 2K, and today." It's not the only time I've seen "2K" used for the first decade of the 2000s 162.158.62.75 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)
2K might end up being the accepted form. It might morph into "the 2-10s," "the 2-20s," "the 2-30s," and so on. It differentiates the seperate centuries and is short enough to survive the endless grinding of popular culture. 108.162.216.40 23:49, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
I propose the Decade of Good Vision (2020s) 108.162.216.190 13:17, 16 June 2017 (UTC))
- I see what you did there. These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For (talk) 01:34, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
- Well this aged poorly. 108.162.246.178 00:13, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
My local variety station has been says "80s, 90s and today" since the mid-90s, which was really odd for the 5 years or so that it was redundant. 172.68.78.28 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)
Around here "the zeroes" is commonly used. 141.101.76.46 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)
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173.245.50.102 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)
Does this mean that there are supposed to be comments on the "next comic". One of the problems with the discussion is that there can be predictive cost/benefits analysis (done before the project is carried out) and retrospective cost/benefits analysis (done sometime after the project is complete). Retrospective cost/benefits analysis can be used to review the accuracy of predictive cost/benefits analysis. If the accuracy is not verified, the value of the analysis is indeterminate. Are the costs all costs or simply costs that are assigned to the evaluating organization? What is the organization for which benefits are to be calculated? Have the effects of Campbell's Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell%27s_law and Goodhart's Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law been taken into account? BradleyRoss (talk) 16:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
- @173.245.50.102 Wait, what? 162.158.154.163 06:23, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
- Aaaaaand evidently not. :) Perhaps being revealed here made him change it? LOL! NiceGuy1 (talk) 03:16, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
What does Randall usually do when there is typo/grammatical error in a comic? Will he correct it and re-upload it, or just leave it? 172.68.58.149 23:02, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
- He'll often notice errors and upload corrected versions, though as of this comment he hasn't yet (nearly 3AM Eastern). Then that fact ends up as trivia here. For example, a few comics ago, the map of America with a word in each state, a paragraph saying how you can make maps like this show whatever you want, he had missed the line separating New Hampshire and Maine, and later the line was there. Same with text errors, a month or two ago was a comic saying "defeatest", then later "defeatist". NiceGuy1 (talk) 06:52, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Wouldn't we run into the same issue in 2020? Since contemporary radio stations are always naming the previous two decades (this formula seems to apply worldwide, it at least does in germany) we wouldn't be able to name them in 2020. "The best hits of the last two decades!"? "You're tuning in to DCKX 102.5! Where we play music - sometimes, duh!"? 162.158.92.118 07:28, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
my daughter (2009) gleefully uses the term "noughties" since that makes her homophonously "naughty". she's not so keen on her siblings (2011) being "teens" although that may change when she actually becomes one herself. as with so many things, it's not ultimately up to the old to decide these things. --141.101.107.18 11:48, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Seems like radio stations all around the world used the exact same slogan of "the best of the 80's, 90's and the best from today". I know one radio station that changed it to "80's, 90's, 2000's and the best from today" some time after 2010. But I'm not really that keen to listen to radio long enough to find out if they changed it again. :( 162.158.202.220 16:39, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
"the best music from the 80's to the 20's"? 141.101.76.202 07:10, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
What I'm wondering: What'll they do after 2030? The term "The 20s" already means something, the 1920s. 20s dance, music and fashion are already quite iconic, and still referenced (right now immediately comes to mind is an episode of Making History from maybe 2 months ago, where they went back to that time). Will a radio station's "20's Hour" mean the 1920s or 2020s? LOL! (Imagine it being both) (Hey, where'd my signature and timestamp go? Guess it's a new timestamp now) :( NiceGuy1 (talk) 04:14, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
What we'll do is hope the context will make it clear. The 1880s brought a number of historical and literary developments that made me worry (back in the 70s) how we would deal with the ambiguity. The answer was simply notational overloading. More general remark: I think the 1980s never stopped. 1990s culture has nothing to set it apart, and things have not gotten any better.162.158.154.7 10:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Some of my friends and I started calling this decade the "tenties" not too long ago, mostly because of how stupid it sounds. "Teens" sounds much better. LuigiBrick (talk) 11:14, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
I was amused to note today, in Grand Theft Auto V they have radio stations, and the one I always listen to advertises that it plays music "from the 80s, 90s and Naughties". :) NiceGuy1 (talk) 04:02, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
- 2020 Update*
Well, explain XKCD served this internal link up as an advert to me today and it's 2020. We're in the middle of a Pandemic Category:COVID-19 and we still have radio, and they still say "80's, 90's and today".. So... The answer so far is "everything has changed but the music". Iggynelix (talk) 01:30, 15 September 2020
- i came here to check if anybody had updated now that we're in the 20s, glad to see that somebody did in fact, albeit without a timestamp for some reason so i cant tell when in 2020 that comment was posted. redundant but yeah I've been saying "the 20s" for a few years now. oh right i should note that i wasn't served a link to this comic, i searched "2000" in a little directory of comics and this one was the highest result Vaedez (talk) 05:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- ...added the correct datetime (01:30, 15 September 2020) to the above comment. HTH. 172.70.86.232 11:51, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
