Talk:2308: Mount St. Helens

I'm just excited that he mentioned my home state 108.162.246.251 16:20, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I suspect the wiggles in all the hand-drawn lines are actually more than the changes in height of the various mountains, and almost certainly not correlated to the actual changes in height, since this is all unknown. Barmar (talk) 00:56, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

This comic needs to be translated to non-retard units 162.158.155.212 07:41, 19 May 2020 (UTC) <-- don't use "retard." That's really gay. Cellocgw (talk) 11:42, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

We can't expect everyone to be scientifically literate enough to understand measuring things with the planck length, superior though it may be. Besides, these are American mountains, so they're measured in American units. 108.162.246.251 16:20, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

It's pretty common to measure things in years. And while measuring in 20 year gaps isn't normal, I wouldn't call it retarded, especially when they're probably chosen for a good visual spacing. Mikemk (talk) 08:54, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Maybe he meant feet, which is not a SI unit. I guess the user got the wrong feet out of bed this morning? ;-) --Kynde (talk) 10:04, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

All twentyish attoparsecs, you mean? (Yanks like using measures that give them bigger numbers. Feet instead of metres, inches instead of metres (or feet-and-inches), pounds instead of kilos (or stones-and-kilos), US gallons instead of UK ones, the wrong sort of billion/etc. :P ) 162.158.159.76 11:22, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I think the graph should be labeled in seconds. I mean, gigaseconds for time and light microseconds for distance. -- Hkmaly (talk) 02:55, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

You know what? You’re mostly right (and this is coming from and American!), but I disagree with the “billion” thing. The US way makes more sense and is more common, anyway. Trogdor147 (talk) 04:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I've gotten used to large figures as displayed in 'idle games' (after sufficient progression), where I can make the conversion of "15.2T" or "3.95Qi" or "657No" to pure values with the correct number of zeros if I need to.

I have to take the whole part, the fractional digits (padded up to three, with zeroes) then three times the suffix's 'number' (maybe M=1, B=2, T=3, (Qu/Qa)/Q, Qi/q (latter is case-differentiated "Q"uadrillion from "q"uintillion, where sticking to one-char suffixes), He/S, (Se/Sp)/s, Oc/O, No/N, (De/Dc)/D=10, then often aa=11, ab=12 and onwards; not sure if 20 would be "aj" as next in a lower-case lower-case base26ish progression ("az"+1="ba") or go for "b(z?)" then "ba" for 21 in "alpha-coded decimal" where "aaa" would appear at 111-illions... I've never yet had to deal with such magnitudes). Anyway, 'simple'. Ish. (Though I find that "35O" in typical fonts can look too much like "Three hundred and fifty" rather than the actual "Thirty-five Octillion", for apps that go with that particular coded convention. And "23.5O" only disambiguates easily when you realise a figure never uses fractional non-suffixed numbers and/or doesn't zero-pad to 2DP.)

Thus "15 200 000 000 000" (spaces given for convenience, or instead of the ","/"." thousand separator of choice/localisation), "3 950 000 000 000 000 000" and "657 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000" for those initially given examples.

So there's a logic to the Short Scale, in deriving the full numbers. But as well as the initial 'whole number' (1<=n<=999) and the suffix 'magnitude padding' you always have to add three arbitrary digits that represent the (typically two or less) decimal places. A permanent off-by-three adjustment.

With the Long Scale, it'd just be straight 6xSuffix digits (the first few being any decimals, then zero-padded). With perhaps something like "Xd" for "X-illiard"s (or "tX" for "thousand X-illion" under traditional British expansion) of this 6x and the directly implied extra 3, or just go for "#####0(.##?)X" format, but the adjustment is at least justified. And you run out of any given run of clearly understandable suffixes at roughly double the magnitude of the point at which ran out of them in the Short version.

So, while I wouldn't wish to change the 'standard', I think it's clearly not the more logical or descriptive one.

Also note that (excluding the huge 'other scale' populations which actually includes the top two most populous nations) it is clear that Long Scale is not exactly rare. For example plenty of 'old world' countries with reasonably packed populations, compared with a number of large Short Scale/Short-with-Milliard territories with low densities across most of their sprawling areas (e.g. US, Russia, Brazil, Australia, trans-Sahara nations...). There's the mixed-use ones as well. Canada is steadfastly Anglo-French hybrid in various ways, of course they're not melded to either system, in one of the largest countries by area (actual or by distorted map area) if you don't like reducing to populations. And in the whole of (most distorted) Antarctica probably most of its few multinational 'inhabitants' instead prefer to resort to SI prefixes and/or powers-of-ten anyway!

So "makes more sense"^{[actual citation needed]} and "more common"^{[actual citation needed]} are dubious by almost any definition... IMO! 172.70.85.205 09:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough! I feel like I've seen the short scale more in professional contexts, but that could just be me. And you're completely right that saying either scale "makes more sense" is dubious. I was most certainly a fool... last year. Trogdor147 (talk) 04:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Wow you're so cool and epic for using slurs good job

1. That was unnecessary. 2. I honestly don’t care what units people use, as long they aren’t super obscure (like furlongs or smoots). 3. Yes, I know this discussion is 3 years old, and I don’t care (also I’m new here and I want to be a part of things). Trogdor147 (talk) 04:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Could be linked to sudden changes to covid-19 charts due to lockdowns 162.158.34.222 12:12, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

It might have been inspired by the art installation where someone cut off the peak (one inch of rock) of Scafell Pike.

According to the wikipedia article, "The eruption ejected more than one cubic mile (4.2 km^3) of material." That's going to be billions of tonnes, rather than the thousands mentioned in the explanation. 162.158.154.31 15:23, 19 May 2020 (UTC) I don't think I'm going to be able to contribute here any more if I keep having to provide free training for Google's image recognition of weird American street scenes. What's a "crosswalk" and what does it look like anyway?

A "crosswalk" is a "pedestrian crossing" in other types of English). 108.162.215.124 16:46, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I suspect the true slope of the line during that transition period is a heck of a lot closer to negative infinity than as drawn. #itsajokedammit Cellocgw (talk) 11:44, 20 May 2020 (UTC)