2969: Vice President First Names
| Vice President First Names |
![[Political pundit on the ScrabbleTV News channel] "After four years of defying orthographic pressure, Joe ceded the top of the ticket to Kamala, who--after considering Josh, Mark, Andy, Roy, and Pete--picked Tim."](/wiki/index.php/File:vice_president_first_names_2x.png) Title text: [Political pundit on the ScrabbleTV News channel] "After four years of defying orthographic pressure, Joe ceded the top of the ticket to Kamala, who--after considering Josh, Mark, Andy, Roy, and Pete--picked Tim." |
Explanation
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Randall implies that having a vice president with a short first name is some sort of electoral precedent that was established in the 80s. The practice can help politicians seem more relatable to voters.
This commonly takes the form of using the shortened form of their first name (as with Joseph Robinette 'Joe' Biden). Politicians can also use a more casual name by employing their middle name (as with Willard Mitt Romney). Even when they're not shortened to four or fewer letters, names can be made more casual in other ways (as with Bernard 'Bernie' Sanders). As well, some politicians were commonly called by short nicknames even if they did not run under those names (Dwight 'Ike' Eisenhower).
As the 2024 election had not yet been run when this comic was made, both the Republican and Democratic tickets are present for 2024. Either party winning would still confirm the theory. However, a Republican win could disprove the competing theory that short vice-presidential names should be monosyllabic, which could make this a test similar to 1122. The monosyllabic rule would mean the names "George" and "Dwight" would also have to be yellow, and that the vice-presidential trend goes back to 1980.
This comic was published one day after Kamala Harris chose Tim Walz as her running mate for the 2024 presidential election.
| Year | President | Vice-President |
|---|---|---|
| 2024 | Donald (John Trump) Kamala (Devi Harris) |
JD (James David Vance, né James Donald Bowman) Tim (Timothy James Walz) |
| 2020 | Joe (Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.) | Kamala (Devi Harris) |
| 2016 | Donald (John Trump) | Mike (Michael Richard Pence) |
| 2012 2008 |
Barack (Hussein Obama II) | Joe (Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr.) |
| 2004 2000 |
George (Walker Bush) | Dick (Richard Bruce Cheney) |
| 1996 1992 |
Bill (William Jefferson Clinton, né W. J. Blythe III) | Al (Albert Arnold Gore Jr.) |
| 1988 | George (Herbert Walker Bush) | Dan (James Danforth Quayle ) |
| 1984 1980 |
Ronald (Wilson Reagan) | George (Herbert Walker Bush) |
| 1976 | Jimmy (James Earl Carter Jr.) | Walter (Frederick "Fritz" Mondale) |
| 1974 | Gerald (Rudolph Ford Jr, né Leslie Lynch King Jr.) | Nelson (Aldrich Rockefeller)* |
| 1973 | Richard (Milhous Nixon) | Gerald (Rudolph Ford Jr.)* |
| 1972 1968 |
Richard (Milhous Nixon) | Spiro (Theodore Agnew) |
| 1964 | Lyndon (Baines Johnson) | Hubert (Horatio Humphrey Jr.) |
| 1963 | Lyndon (Baines Johnson)† | vacant |
| 1960 | John (Fitzgerald Kennedy) | Lyndon (Baines Johnson) |
| 1956 1952 |
Dwight (David Eisenhower, né David Dwight Eisenhower) | Richard (Milhous Nixon) |
- Darkened rows show transitions not made via an electoral 'ticket'.
- * Replacements made in response to political scandal
- † Accession to Presidency due to assasination, VP position left unfilled until next election (not shown in comic)
Transcript
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- [A table is shown in a panel. Names of "Four letters or fewer" are shown in the comic on a yellow background (bolded in the table below).]
President VP 2024 ? Kamala
? DonaldTim ?
JD ?2020 Joe Kamala 2016 Donald Mike 2008 Barack Joe 2000 George Dick 1992 Bill Al 1988 George Dan 1980 Ronald George 1976 Jimmy Walter 1974 Gerald Nelson 1973 Richard Gerald 1968 Richard Spiro 1964 Lyndon Hubert 1960 John Lyndon 1952 Dwight Richard
- [Caption below the panel:]
- Since the 1980s, a political consensus has emerged: vice presidents should have short first names.
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I mentioned 1122 in the description. Are there any other comics about election trends/rules? Well, 2383, of course. 172.71.182.150 14:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
In checking all names, surprised to see so many "né"s, but not overly surprised to see no "neé"s. (I mean, "Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton (née H. D. Rodham)" would have been one, of course, in a different trouserleg of time. But Harris stayed as "Harris", not taking/adding "Emhoff" from the person who may well become the first First Gentleman.) Interesting though. Had to resist adding "Dubya", "Ronnie" and "Rocky" nicknames, of course, as they were not the 'formal' nickname that the respective people prefered to go by. 172.70.90.130 16:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Harris only actually met Emhoff in 2013, way after she started her political career - which I guess is why she didn't want to shake her 'brand' by switching her name up. The practise isn't nearly as automatic these days as it used to be. And re:other nicknames, I only mentioned Ike's cause as far as I know it's the case where it was embraced by his campaign the most. 172.70.115.103 22:10, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- My only knowledge doesn't quite stretch far enough back to know if John "Jack" F. Kennedy was often identified as such as a contemporaneous slightly-familiar-but-public-facing name (it's used by recollections of his contemporaries and peers, and historic depictions of those who were more casual). "Ike" of course was great for his chosen slogan.
- Other than that, I know that the likes of (Tricky-)Dicky and Ronnie were used publicly by detractors, or at least those who weren't likely to be saying them to their faces (though I'm sure "Ron" and "Ronnie" were also used by Jane and Nancy, personally). Of course "Mr President", and Sir-like honorifics, would have been the more public in-person address for all of them.
- There'd be a lot of personal preference, that would be interesting to analyse from transcripts of conversations at various levels of formality. I'd say, though, that generally the earlier (culturally) they got established, perhaps the more they'd be used to a more formal address, but the younger they were established in the public eye (seeking to establish themselves) then the more likely they were to 'debut' with a handy shortened name. Add a bit of personal preference ("Not 'Don', please") or difficulty to make a casual version ("Kama? Kam? Mala?" ...maybe also more difficult with unfamiliar names not already having well known alternatives in the given sphere, though I've seen the opposite, e.g. "Shappi" being thought handier than "Shaparak") and there's probably a number of confounding factors, but the tendency towards informal/casual or even outright depricative in recent years has probably rid culture of the original ("don't call me Thomas, only my mother and my old teachers call me Thomas...").
- I think Jimmy Carter got in there early. Relatively young, when aquiring his 'electoral name', and the dactyl "James Carter" doesn't trip as easily as the double-trochee that already fit with a whole slew of predecessors (though his immediate predecessor was anapestic) and successor. The "eighties onwards" trend has seemed to bend towards more casual for most people, though. Exceptions generally having humps in the road to going along with this idea. ("Barry" Obama doesn't improve the syllables at all, and seems to have most use as a dismissive informality by detractors.) 172.70.86.145 11:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Going from the beginning you're pretty much limited to Johns and a Levi prior to the chart. There a few potential Hanks and Bills, and a possible Ted more commonly referred to as Teddy. I've never heard anyone refer to Tom Jefferson or Chet A. Arthur. RegularSizedGuy (talk) 16:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- What about Hann? And, 'Sky' (Unless you decide to pronounce the latter more like "Schu". Because, if you did, those two together would fit them like a glove...) 172.68.186.157 17:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Alright, it seems that somebody has removed my earlier comment protesting the ongoing genocide that Harris supports. Has this wiki fallen too? 172.70.90.130 17:09, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- A quick runthrough of article edits doesn't show anything of what you say, unless I've missed it as too subtle. But, I have to say, that the wording you use here is indicative of the problem being with your 'interpretation'. "Genocide" is a heavy allogation to make and such extraordinary claims would require extraordinary justification, not just talking points taken from the fast-and-loose fringes of public opinion. (Not to mention that if your political rivals were as wicked as that, then you'd be risking your life/freedom to oppose them. But, hey, you apparently have the free speech to say utter nonsense with!)172.70.86.173 17:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- check twitter 172.70.85.152 18:23, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- OK, I checked it. Laser813 (talk) 19:20, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- I mostly haven't checked it ever since Elon "check-marked" it with that X and made it impossible to browse/lurk effectively just to see what arguments were currently happening. Probably too late to actually get myself an account, anyway. But those already there are welcome to it; even with possible diamonds in the rough, there's no sense of FOMO from me... 172.70.86.231 11:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- OK, I checked it. Laser813 (talk) 19:20, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think they're talking about the Talk, rather than the article - comment added at 16:20, and removed in the edit at 16:29 (possible it was just an edit conflict (as opposed to a conflict edit...), since the subsequent update was not small).172.68.186.128 09:39, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- check twitter 172.70.85.152 18:23, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Seems like an opportunity was missed to point out how many presidents on the list have exactly 6 letters in their first name...Kamala, Donald, Donald, Barack, George, George, Ronald, Gerald, Lyndon, Dwight. It may be worth mentioning? 172.70.131.153
About name shortening - a critique of the actual comic: I'm not sure about nationwide, but in his home state of Minnesota, VP Mondale -- when not called "Fritz" (which I noticed has been deleted from the table) -- was more often called "Walt" over "Walter". I remember when the state called up ol' Walt Mondale to replace the late U.S. Senator Paul Wellstone after his tragic death in a plane crash up near the Arrowhead. (I was attending U of Minn at the time; they held the public memorial service in the basketball arena not far from my apartment.) --BigMal27 / 172.70.134.216 13:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
"Product naming also began to simplify in the late 20th century, driven by marketing strategies that favored brevity and memorability, exemplified by Apple's iconic "iMac" and "iPhone" products (again, cf. names like "Tandy 1000", "Ford F 500" or "Little Debbie's Oatmeal Creme Pies")." This feels cherry picked and apples-to-oranges. Referring to the iMac and iPhone product names in comparison to the combined brand and product name doesn't seem like a useful way to do it. F-500 is as short visually (if not syllabically) as iMac or iPhone, and while people mostly wouldn't have referred to a "1000" like they would an iPhone, Tandy 1000 seems pretty comparable to Apple iPhone. 162.158.62.116 19:45, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
There is a slightly stronger correlation considering monosyllabic names. "George" extends the observed trend to 1980 and adds two more Presidents to the tally. Meanwhile, "JD" would no longer qualify but that race is as yet undecided. 172.68.70.135 13:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
