User talk:42.book.addict/archive

What are your thoughts on the Soviet Union?

Alright, who the FUCK added a Soviet flag to my talk page? BTW, thanks to Asdf for reverting it. 42.book.addict (talk) 20:26, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

It's one of the occasional vandalisers. Don't worry, we generally pick these things up.

As far as your noticing the fox-instead-of-pope vandalism, we also pick that up (I reverted it the previous two times). You'll work out how to use the Undo functionality, at some time, but maybe you'll want to also check the page histories to see what recent edits a page might have been through, note what has been done (for good or ill) and get some more idea of what happens and how we generally handle these things. All a learning process, of course! 172.71.178.55 20:50, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! 42.book.addict (talk) 20:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi! What do you think about the USSR? 108.162.245.37 00:18, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

oh, uh, it was oppressive, absolutely authoritarian, and cold. 42.book.addict (talk) 00:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

but, why, though? 42.book.addict (talk) 00:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

oh, and if i think that I’m going to listen to you anymore now that I’ve realised that you’re a troll, then you are mistaken 42.book.addict (talk) 00:35, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

btw please stop adding soviet flags everywhere. They’re disruptive, unnecessary, and you’re just being an asshole and douchebag 42.book.addict (talk) 00:36, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

btw I'm the crap spammer 172.71.147.80 00:53, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

that’s not really something to brag about… 42.book.addict (talk) 00:53, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you were here for the crap spam; it was quite extensive 172.71.147.79 00:55, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

even if I wasn’t here for the crap spam, i think that you are an motherfucker who doesnt have a life, needs to GET a life, and should really stop spamming and disrupting this wiki. Please go fuck yourself, jump off a bridge, and set yourself on fire if you still are defiant. 42.book.addict (talk) 00:56, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I'll follow the wiki part of your advice, but not the bridge part. 172.71.147.79 00:58, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

THANK YOU! Also, i only said to jump off a bridge if you refuse to get a life 42.book.addict (talk) 00:58, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'll look for ways to contribute constructively. 172.71.147.80 01:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

tbh this has been one of the less bad things I've done; the crapping was way worse 172.71.147.80 01:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

i have no idea why you’re still bragging about how you were so good at vandalising this wiki before42.book.addict (talk) 01:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

okay why are there so many colons on this thread premium chromium both Cote'di Ivore and Suriname look like potato wedges I will fill out by saying JACKSEPICYOUTUBECHANNELFULLOFFUNTIMESANDHIRICKX turdboiturdboiturdboi69420 -- Jupitale (talk) 18:29, 11 March 2024 (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Editing other people's talk pages

42.book.addict: Respectfully but firmly: If you don't like the way I manage my talk page, please feel free to leave me a message saying so. But it is grossly inappropriate for you take matters into your own hands and make a major reversion or mass edit to another person's talk page that is anything other than adding a message to them. If you don't like how I run my talk page, complain somewhere else, but get off my lawn. It sounds like you are grossly unfamiliar with MediaWiki etiquette. Go check how it works on Wikipedia (there are not a lot of great examples here). But until then, again: GET OFF MY LAWN and do not revert edits to my talk page. Thank you. JohnHawkinson (talk) 03:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

oh, so you say? 42.book.addict (talk) 04:08, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

if you really want to, archive it. or ask for permission to delete the comments from the original author. 42.book.addict (talk) 04:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah kinda argree

42.book.addict:You seem confused. Is this a "throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks" situation? Let's start with the Wikipedia Talk Page Guidelines that you cite in the second screenshot, because they are clear and unambiguous. First of all, "deletion" is not the same as clearing the page—not even close. And if you read the section, it is short, and its beginning pertinent and clear: "¶ The length of user talk pages, and the need for archiving, is left up to each editor's own discretion. ¶ Although archiving is preferred, users may freely remove comments from their own talk pages. Users may also remove some content in archiving."

That is, I am fully authorized to exercise my own discretion on my own talk page. And as for archiving, this is a place where this wiki differs from enwiki. We don't have an active archiving culture, with archiving bots. Nor do we need it, because our volumes are so low. The history is not so difficult to pull out. But it matters not — I am free to clear out and blank my own talk page on the English wikipedia, and certainly here.

Moving on to your example from User talk:Netherin5, it is a different situation, and it is in tension with the clear WP:TPG guidelines quoted above. I'd go so far as to say the User:Dgbrt was wrong in their absolute statement "must never be blanked," but what was really going on was that Netherin5 had vandalism on their user page, Dgbrt left them a note on their talk page suggesting they blank it, and Netherin5 blanked the talk page not the user page, and Dgbrt advised Netherin5 that's not what Dgbrt meant. In context, I think Dgbrt's statement was fine, but it wasn't actually correct or proper. Needless to say, this matters not. Even if you and Dgbrt both disagree with me, and even if you were somehow right according to some arbitration process, you still don't get to go and make the changes to my talk page yourself. You get to ask, and if you don't like how I respond, you can raise it up to an administrator or something. But you aren't right. Users are entitled to clear their talk pages.

As for your late-added addition: no. I am not going to ask permission from some IP author (who cannot reasonably reached!) to remove their text from my talk page. Although they explicitly granted it in their message anyhow (unnecessarily!). Nor would I ask the named user who accidently posted on my own page in error. Not necessary to do either of those things. Because, again, it's my talk page and I will manage it as I see fit. If you would like to make suggestions, feel free, but don't take it into your own hands, that is inappropriate and wrong. Thank you. JohnHawkinson (talk) 04:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

For note, I'm that IP. (Unprovably so, I know; one of the very few disadvantages of remaining untied to a user handle all this time.) I judged my own contribution to be excessively superfluous (once the point I was making was made) and said so. Being just a conversation between me and the 'page owner', then I offered to let them delete it when it was observed. Whether or not that was wise or helpful... ;)

Once it starts involving more people, then it gets tricky, but generally I'd consider the User Talk 'owner' as having the final word over their own whole User Talk page (new editing rights to anyone, editing rights (within reason, typos/honest errors/etc) only to past contributions by such a contributor (i.e. no correcting others' mistakes) and major edits like reorganising (e.g. top-posting to bottom-/followon-posting, indenting, adjusting headers) or indeed discarding what is past its sell-by-date for whatever reason is justifiable (for malicious contributions, immediate squashing, including back-tracking any malicious and unfounded re-editing). (And, obviously IP User-Talks cannot really be 'claimed' or 'governed', so is potentially the worst of all worlds).

The simple (non-Talk) User page-spaces I would say have very few reasons to be edited by anyone other than the 'owner' (primarily, as a fall-back if there is a User page but no User Talk page to make a directed comment upon!) and the owner gets to decide everything (within moderatable/administrable limitations, naturally).

The (regular article) Talk pages have no owner to moderate them, so there's a few more rights by all the non-owners (logical rearrangements, adding in of missing signatures; importantly not correcting others' typos) although in the case of actual vandalism/etc (including undue editing of others' comments) then reversion/excising rights are there for the taking by whoever can deal with it.

Beyond that, it's free-for-all 'improve or modify as you see fit' (as long as it is without malice!) around much of the rest of the wiki (the major exceptions being Community Portal pages to follow the regular Talk page examples, naturally).

...anyway, to this loose 'ideal', and knowing that there's a(n almost) permanent record of historic changes, one can probably defer to the user for all bits of their User-spaces, but there are always going to be exceptions to this. And opportunities for a tussle. Now, John's got almost the same vintage here as myself (again, unprovably, but I've been semi-lurking/IP-posting here a lot) and I've seen 42 gradually develop from newbie into the eager and eager-to-learn fresh face as they are now - including helping inform an even more recent newbie, recently. ;)

Ultimately, it's community standards that are going to lead things. Developing concensus probably being more important than even other-Wikis' official standards, as I think there's room for flexibility of opinion. So long as there's no slide into either anarchy or totalitarianism. (And I'm not even sure I know which way round the two 'opposing' views here would represent, though then only if taken to their own particularly absurd extremes). Ideological disagreements are healthy, as long as they don't become outright arguments. 162.158.230.46 18:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

noted. 42.book.addict (talk) 00:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Z1M argument

Will you please leave my user discussion alone? It's getting annoying Z1mp0st0rz (talk) 20:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

my comments have a right to exist. plus, i do have a valid point. 42.book.addict (talk) 20:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

As author of the other advice, I have to say I don't mind if Z1m reads it, learns it and deletes it. If it gets deleted again, don't worry about it. Although I've had to correct (or complete) Z1m's 'unsigned' edits several times since I passed on the (too?) thorough instructions, so not sure the learning bit has yet happened. And I happen to agree with you, 42, on the other issue.

I applaud good-faith edits of all kinds, but perhaps lurk more and learn more, Z1m, ok? Just for the time being. I don't want to pollute these pages with arguments, though, so I'll say no more. 172.70.90.48 22:16, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Fine, now please leave my user page alone, 42. Otherwise imma spam Uk flagsZ1mp0st0rz (talk) 17:25, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

spam my talk page with UK flags, and i will have you promptly banned. 42.book.addict (talk) 18:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

fine imma ask a admin to block us from each other so this doesn't happen again. happy?

Official Apology

From: Z1m

To: 42

Listen, I'm sorry for everything, 42. We all make mistakes sometimes, and I think the safest course of action so neither of us gets banned is to either leave each other alone or just say nice things to each other.
I'm aware it's the Internet, and what I said can't be taken back (unless I delete it).
But really, I'm sorry.
To change the subject though, I'm glad I found someone who (used to) read Artemis Fowl! Maybe we can trade favorite book titles sometime! :) The orange crewmate ඞ (talk) 14:34, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
P.S: Click on the signature

P.P.S: I say D'Arvit all the time lol

sort of ironic how someone who says that they like all xkcd comics “except for the ones with swearwords” and yet allegedly says d’arvit “all the time”

42.book.addict (talk) 21:31, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

42, Z1m just apologized, and thats how you respond? With some passive agresive bullshit. Really?? Apollo11 (talk) 22:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I consider it different cuz its in gnommish. don't think it even has a meaning. The orange crewmate ඞ (talk) 14:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Possible Vandalism!

Alright, 42, this has gone too far. It's my talk page and I have a right to choose what to keep and what to toss. I already apologized, and you replied with some passive-aggressive garbage. I have no regret saying the following:
YOU ARE OFFICIALLY BANNED FROM MY TALK PAGE.
I don't know why you're being a jerk at me, and I don't like it. So get off my talk page!
I also don't know if you should even say this sort of stuff. People have <str> FEELINGS. </str>
And you put in this screenshot of something I already know?
Being mean hurts people...
But I'm real good at being the bigger person.
I know what to do.
You
are
a
jerk.
Good riddance.
Signed, Z1m
PS: I didn't sign with ~~~~ so that you couldn't get into my talk page. So there >;)

instead of deleting it, just fucking toss it to the bottom. you can’t ban people from your talk page. you can give advice, but you can’t force people to follow your “rules”. your behaviour is going against what Wikipedia and ExplainXKCD stand for. 42.book.addict (talk) 20:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

oh, and acc, thx for teaching me how to separate lines of text. Actually. Thank you. No sarcasm. 42.book.addict (talk) 20:15, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi

Hello 42, I'm glad we made up. We clearly both have some things to work on, but at least we're putting our grudges behind us.
Yeah, I'm glad you learned how to separate sentences with <br> instead of : .
Anyway, how are you doing? What's it like in California?
Wanna trade favorite books sometime?
You don't have to look at this, just checking in after that truce.
Hope you have a good day :)
-Z1m

Favorite Stuff?

Since we made up, I thought we should get to know each other.
You can see what my favorite stuff is on my user page,
but I wanna know some of your interests.
Also yeah sorry again :) The orange crewmate ඞ (talk) 15:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)