513: Friends

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Friends

Title text: Friends with detriments.

Explanation

In this comic, Cueball is talking apparently to Megan. He confesses that he has a crush on her - usually the next step when a boy likes a girl (or a girl likes a boy, boy likes a boy, etc.) is to ask out the other person. But Cueball takes a different route, presumably explaining his thought process aloud to Megan. He explains that he is afraid of rejection and so instead of asking her out directly, promises to be her best friend and someone who is always 'there for you', in the hopes that this will eventually lead to Megan developing an attraction for him. This way, Cueball does not have to risk Megan saying 'No' to him, as she will be led to make the first move instead. Cueball is aware that this may not be an ideal situation for Megan, conceding that she may end up changing her definition of happiness to make her feel more comfortable in the relationship, while she is conscious of the fact that she doesn't really love Cueball. Cueball recognises that, if Megan fell for him this way, she would probably have this fact at the back of her mind.

And so painting this elaborate - but slightly troubling - future, Cueball asks Megan if she is interested. Megan, however, is not taken in by Cueball's vision, and tells him that she is going to date 'this jerk' instead, suggesting that she would much rather date someone who, in Cueball's word, 'doesn't respect you', than live out the life Cueball has planned for them.

The title text is a play on the concept of "friends with benefits", wherein two friends have casual sex without entering into a 'relationship'. 'Friends with detriments' suggests that if Megan and Cueball entered into this imaginary relationship, they would be friends but with the 513: Friends of Megan not really loving him.

Transcript

[A boy is talking to a girl.]

Boy: I have a crush on you.

[Boy is shown alone.]

Boy: I could ask you out, and move on with my life if you said no.

Boy: Or, WE COULD BE FRIENDS!

Boy: See, I don't want to consider that you might not be attracted to me. I'm scared of rejection, so I've decided relationships should grow :smoothly out of friendships.

[Girl is shown sitting at her computer.]

Boy: When you have problems, I'll be there for you, night after night.

Boy: Selflessly.

Computer (Instant message from boy): *hug*

[Girl is shown slamming door and walkng to boy to get a hug.]

Boy: I'll tear down the jerks you date, and wait for you to realize how good I am for you. That only I will ever understand you.

<<SLAM>>

Girl: <<Sniff>>

Boy: There there

[Boy is shown alone again.]

Boy: You don't want to hurt my feelings, and I won't ever force the issue. I'll tell myself it's because I "Value our friendship."

Boy: Bit by bit, I'll make you depend on me.

[Boy and girl are shown sitting on a rock in a park, reading a book together.]

Boy: You'll think about how long it would take to build this kind of connection again.

[Boy and girl are shown sitting on a couch drinking, getting closer, and kissing.]

Boy: And in a moment of weakness

Boy: and loneliness

Boy: you'll give in.

[Girl is shown sitting at the computer with boy behind her facing the other way washing dishes]

Boy: It'll feel comfortable and natural. You'll quietly revise your definition of love and try to be happy. And sometimes you will be.

[Girl is shown siting at the computer.]

Boy: Only the wistfulness in your gaze and the tiny pause before you say "I love you" will hint that this wasn't the ending you'd hoped for.

Boy: Sound good?

[Girl is holding hands with another boy, talking to boy.]

Girl: ...I'm going to date this jerk.

Boy: But he doesn't respect you!

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Discussion

Tried it, doesn't work. --173.245.53.154 21:04, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Are you the real Cueball? --Dgbrt (talk) 22:01, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Sometimes we're all the real Cueball.173.245.54.9 00:22, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I believe the explanation was incorrect as it stated that Cueball actually explains this idea to Megan. To be it seems obvious that he just explains his plans (to us), but by telling it to Megan it is even more obvious how unpleasant such a plan is. I have thus changed the explanation to fit this. Kynde (talk) 13:08, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Also I think the title text explanation about Cueball entering into a relationship with Megan must be wrong. If they do that they are no longer friends. So I have added a different explanation. but will not yet delete the alternative. I will leave that up to others to decide if it makes sence to be friends with detriements/benefits if you are in a relationship...? Kynde (talk) 11:58, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Do we have evidence of Megan,s preivious romances and relationships? I believe a Cueball marriage was postulated15:14, 29 August 2014 (UTC) 173.245.56.191 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Reminds me of something I heard recently "If you're the kind of person who worries about girls putting you in the 'Friend Zone', don't worry! You're probably not the kind of person they'd want to be friends with anyway". -Pennpenn 108.162.250.162 00:51, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

I've had a crush on a girl I know - a girl I am good friends with - for a few months now, and this comic is is the push I needed. I'm going to ask her out. Pawtiko (talk) 15:11, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Culture

First para-->sentence on dating, I clarified that this is only common in Western cultures, and wrote in brackets what would be the normal route in some other cultures. Actually, it's interesting to consider how the scenario displayed in this comic would be very difficult to play out in, say, Saudi Arabia or India, because you would never get that close to a member of the opposite sex like that, and if you did have a crush on them, you would have to ask your family to approach their family for a marriage proposal, and thus arrange a marriage, as "dating" is considered immoral. On the other hand, I suppose lonely people (especially men) who aren't that attractive/confident who live in Western cultures might be prone to the kind of manipulative behaviour shown in this comic. Verizoned (talk) 22:40, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

While in India arranged marriages are still very common and the default, people often date and have relationships before that, which sometimes even result in love-marriages, or more commonly get broken up in favor of an arrenged ones. At least this is true with the "younger" generation born in the mid 80s or later. (Source: Been to India, talked to Indians) --Lupo (talk) 10:49, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

I don't know about this comic... yes, if you fake a friendship for the sole purpose of trying to enter a relationship, that's the mark of a horrible person. But if you DON'T try to be friends first, how else are the two of you supposed to know whether or not your interests are wildly incompatible? This is just a confusing topic... 172.68.143.132 12:51, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

It's a hard topic to wrap your head around and one I am currently trying to understand. I think, specifically with this comic, it's saying that you're doing something terrible if you cut people off from a prospective dating pool. i.e. making yourself the only potential suitor for a person by process of elimination and eliminating. However, it okay to start off by being friends with someone. Finding out if your chemistry works or not. Not making the first move is also okay, but it also means they may *never* make the first move. If you are afraid of making the first move, then you have to be okay with only ever being friends and being okay with the fact that the someone you are interested in might not be interested in you and ask other people out. It eventually comes down to a risk-reward: take a chance, and risk alienating them as a friend (we wish it weren't the case, but it might just end up too awkward for lots of people) but maybe start a relationship; never take a chance and "risk" being "friend-zoned" (but, really, from the other person's perspective there was no risk; you only ever gave the signal you wanted to be friends, so they maintained that). Pardon, this is mostly me thinking through my own thoughts on this topic. 172.70.114.183 18:15, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, but the comic adds the important layer that the "romantic idea" that the friend will some day, one day, fall for you, perhaps after a string of failed relationships with "jerks", is actually nothing to strive or hope for, because this would most probably mean that the other person only chose you as a second, third, or likely nth choice, out of frustration, and not out of love. It would also mean that you would be fine to be the fill-in, which is also not a healthy self-perspective. --172.70.114.14 08:05, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Doesn't the "*hug*" part reference comic 352? 172.68.143.162 07:23, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

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