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{{Welcome|Beanie}}<span> — [[User:Sqrt-1|The <b>𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭</b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Sqrt-1|<span style="color: blue">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Sqrt-1|<span style="color: blue">stalk</span>]]</sup></span> 16:38, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
| number    = 2764
 
| date      = April 17, 2023
 
| title    = Cosmological Nostalgia Content
 
| image    = cosmological_nostalgia_content_2x.png
 
| imagesize = 316x386px
 
| noexpand  = true
 
| titletext = Later renouncing clickbait, Einstein called his inclusion of cosmological content in general relativity the biggest blunder of his career.
 
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==Explanation==
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== Adding the title text to the transcript ==
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Like many xkcd's, this comic is a figurative {{w|Portmanteau|multimanteau}}, in this case a combination of "{{w|cosmological constant}}" (an astrophysics term to quantify the rate of expansion of the universe) and "[https://movementstrategy.com/editorial/nostalgia-social-media/ nostalgia content]" (clickbait marketing aimed at a specific age group referencing pop culture from their youth).
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Hi,
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I am curious. What is your motivation for this monster project to add the title text to more than 2400 comics? It is always already found in the page. --[[User:Lupo|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo|talk]]) 13:40, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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:The transcript includes the whole comic, so I believe it should include the title text. [[User:Beanie|Beanie]] ([[User talk:Beanie|talk]]) 14:08, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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:Also, I don't have a whole lot else to do. [[User:Beanie|Beanie]] ([[User talk:Beanie|talk]]) 14:30, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
  
The canonical example of nostalgia content is "[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/only-90s-kids--2 Only 90s Kids Remember...]".
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Hi there Beanie, thanks for all your contributions to explain xkcd!  Just wanted to mention a couple things before you continue your ambitious project of adding the title text to all the transcripts, in case this saves you a bit of effort.
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* ''Currently'', I believe the site policy is to ''not'' include the title text in the transcript, as mentioned in the [[explain xkcd:Editor FAQ#What is the format of the transcript section?|Editor FAQ]].
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* There was recently a brief discussion about it in the [[explain xkcd:Community portal/Proposals#Add title text and heading to transcript section|community portal]].  As I understand it, the rationale for the ''transcript'' is to include a ''textual'' representation of the ''graphical'' text in the comic (so that it can be searched, for example); but the ''title text'' is already represented textually (below the comic image), so for this purpose it would be redundant in the transcript, and I believe that's the reasoning behind the current policy.
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I, for one, certainly appreciate the title text that [[Randall]] adds to the comics; but FWIW, even according to Randall himself in his [https://youtu.be/z_zwyJ6IYR0?t=2231 talk at Dartmouth College], the joke in the title text should never be critical to the main joke in the comic – i.e. the comic should work on its own, even if the title text didn't exist. I'm not saying you ''can't'' add the title text to the transcript, nor that you ''shouldn't'' – for instance, as you mentioned, maybe the title text ''ought'' to be considered as part of the comic, and so maybe it ''should'' be included in the transcript. But just letting you know that the current policy is to omit it, so you might want to discuss it in the community portal and make sure everyone's on-board before putting in a bunch of effort on it, only to have someone else come along and undo all your hard work. Cheers, and thanks again for all your contributions to the site!  – [[User:Yfmcpxpj|Yfmcpxpj]] ([[User talk:Yfmcpxpj|talk]]) 03:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
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:Well, thanks for clearing it up :) [[User:Beanie|Beanie]] ([[User talk:Beanie|talk]]) 09:25, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
  
In cosmology Z is the symbol for {{w|Redshift|redshift}}, which is the phenomenon where photons travelling from an object that is moving away from the observer exhibits an increase in wavelength, resulting in its colour shifting towards the red end of the spectrum. Due to the accelerating expansion of the universe, objects that are further away from us are moving away from us at a faster velocity, resulting in higher redshift. As light has finite velocity, it takes a longer time for light from faraway objects to arrive at the observer.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light#Spaceflight_and_astronomy] So the light observed at the present must have been emitted by the faraway object further back in time. Megan is stating that only people that appear to the observer with high redshift (Z=10) will have existed sufficiently further back in the past to remember when the first stars were still forming. Megan also has a red tint (she is drawn in the colour [https://www.color-hex.com/color/462424 #462424], a very dark red; here is a comparison of #462424 and black: <span style="background-color: #462424">&emsp;</span>&thinsp;<span style="background-color: black">&emsp;</span>), indicating that she is one such Z=10 kid. This would mean that she was born around 500 million years after the universe was formed, or almost 13 billion years ago. However, the James Webb Space Telescope famously discovered fully formed, large, bright galaxies around Z=10 (of which the only explanations forthcoming so far are {{w|primordial black hole}}s[https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2041-8213/ac927f/meta][https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.09391] or {{w|axion}} miniclusters[https://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.107.043502]) so Megan's nostalgia may be somewhat confabulatory.
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== Knit Cap ==
  
White Hat, meanwhile, is referencing the fact that the universe has {{w|Scale factor (cosmology)|three eras}}: radiation dominated, matter dominated, and dark energy dominated. As the universe expands, the density of radiation and matter decreases due to their dilution, causing the universe, which first started off being dominated by radiation, to then become dominated by matter, then by dark energy (which does not dilute as the universe expands). Dark energy dominated era, which is when "dark energy started accelerating the universe's acceleration" started around 5 billion years ago while {{w|Evolution of bacteria|bacteria evolved around 3 billion years ago}}, meaning that they evolved closer to dark energy domination than to today.
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Hi Beanie
  
The title and title text play with the similarity in sound between 'content' and 'constant', segueing between web(page) content and cosmological constant. 
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Nice with the [[Knit Cap]] page, however, during the time of the Lorenz comic it was agreed upon in this community that Knit Cap was a woman in that comic! So I disagree with the page you made calling her a he... --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:17, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
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:But the official transcripts said 'a guy in a knit cap' D: <span style="text-shadow:0 0 6px black">[[User:Beanie|<span style="font-size:11pt;color:#dddddd">Beanie</span>]]</span> <sup><span style="text-shadow:0 0 3px #000000">[[User talk:Beanie|<span style="font-size:8pt;color:#dddddd">talk</span>]]</span></sup> 13:21, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
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::Well, in the other comics where Knit Cap has long hair, the transcripts always refer to them as 'A guy in a knit cap'. Lorenz's transcript is more about the structure. <span style="text-shadow:0 0 6px black">[[User:Beanie|<span style="font-size:11pt;color:#dddddd">Beanie</span>]]</span> <sup><span style="text-shadow:0 0 3px #000000">[[User talk:Beanie|<span style="font-size:8pt;color:#dddddd">talk</span>]]</span></sup> 13:26, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
  
The title text refers to Einstein's inclusion of the {{w|Cosmological constant|cosmological constant}} to his theory of general relativity in order to attain a static model of the universe, which he later removed, reportedly referring to it as his "biggest blunder". Cosmological constant has, today, been generally accepted as a part of the current cosmological model, relating to the concept of dark energy.
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== It is actually a perfectly cromulent word... ==
  
==Transcript==
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https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/glintingly
:[Megan (with a red tint) holds both her arms out and up while she is talking to Cueball to the left of her. To the right of Megan White Hat is holding both arms out and down while he is talking to Ponytail to the right of him.]
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...just sayin'. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.173|172.70.90.173]] 23:26, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
:Megan: Only Z=10 kids remember watching the cool dark gas that suffused the universe being eaten away by expanding bubbles of plasma around the first stars!
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:Fine then :p <span style="text-shadow:0 0 6px black">[[User:Beanie|<span style="font-size:11pt;color:#dddddd">Beanie</span>]]</span> <sup><span style="text-shadow:0 0 3px #000000">[[User talk:Beanie|<span style="font-size:8pt;color:#dddddd">talk</span>]]</span></sup> 23:27, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
:White Hat: Want to feel old? Bacteria evolved closer to when dark energy started accelerating the universe's expansion than to today!
 
  
:[Caption below the panel]:
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== Mdashes ==
:Cosmological Nostalgia Content
 
  
{{comic discussion}}
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Keep going, if you want. I find it awkward on this device to put in mdashes (except by using "&amp;mdash;", which is inefficient), so I'll hyphen it and accept someone converting it later. Not that you've changed any that I recognise as being mine, originally, yet. And you're preserving the spaces... as long as you don't convert legitimate "…this - and that…" to "…this&mdash;and that…", I'm happy. ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.5|172.70.162.5]] 01:20, 25 February 2022 (UTC) (PS., I'm also the guy who wrote the above section. :-p I'd forgotten I'd told you that, but I see you continue to be of good humour!)
  
[[Category:Comics featuring Cueball]]
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== "That sentence was redundant, as that's the entire reason why categories exist. I'll be doing this for the other comics now too." ==
[[Category:Comics featuring Megan]]
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[[Category:Comics featuring White Hat]]
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Technically correct, and I have no intention of reversing this/others, but it's really more a "this is a further example of (category)" style comment which is exceedingly common and relevent in narrative explanations. Some things (being one of the Wednesday Comics) need have no mention, except when it's one of the unusual ones. That it features a given character is probably not special (save for in-text link to their character page).
[[Category:Comics featuring Ponytail]]
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[[Category:Comics featuring real people]] <!-- Einstein -->
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At some point you get to "This is a further example of a Cursed Connector" usefulness in the Explanation, ''in addition to'' the respective category being found buried in the extensive footer list. And I (not that my opinion is authoritative!) thought the gist of the Interviews comment headed in that direction.
[[Category:Comics to make one feel old]]
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[[Category:Comics with color]] <!-- Megan is red -->
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Having seen all the recent edits done (linknit to Category rather than the list of direct cross-article references), I wonder if the editor(s) who did that might feel a bit miffed at the excision of their own work. (From here on the sidines, I can sympathise with both your and their POVs, though obviously I tend to theirs a bit more.) [[Special:Contributions/172.71.242.190|172.71.242.190]] 13:50, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
[[Category:Astronomy]]
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:You are correct about comments denoting a comic's inclusion in a category being common, but there are a ''lot'' of categories. It's not possible nor necessary to mention which categories each comic are in, so where is the line drawn?
[[Category:Biology]] <!-- Evolution of Bacteria -->
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[[Category:Clickbait]]
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:Your point about editors' work being removed is a little odd though. Isn't that the entire point of wikis?  [[User:Beanie|<span style="text-shadow:0 0 6px black;font-size:11pt;color:#dddddd">Beanie]]</span> [[User talk:Beanie|<sup><span style="text-shadow:0 0 3px black;font-size:8pt;color:#dddddd">talk]]</span></sup> 11:30, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
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== YOU. SIGNIFICANT USER OF THIS WIKI. ==
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The 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 talk stalk 16:38, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Adding the title text to the transcript

Hi, I am curious. What is your motivation for this monster project to add the title text to more than 2400 comics? It is always already found in the page. --Lupo (talk) 13:40, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

The transcript includes the whole comic, so I believe it should include the title text. Beanie (talk) 14:08, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Also, I don't have a whole lot else to do. Beanie (talk) 14:30, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi there Beanie, thanks for all your contributions to explain xkcd! Just wanted to mention a couple things before you continue your ambitious project of adding the title text to all the transcripts, in case this saves you a bit of effort.

  • Currently, I believe the site policy is to not include the title text in the transcript, as mentioned in the Editor FAQ.
  • There was recently a brief discussion about it in the community portal. As I understand it, the rationale for the transcript is to include a textual representation of the graphical text in the comic (so that it can be searched, for example); but the title text is already represented textually (below the comic image), so for this purpose it would be redundant in the transcript, and I believe that's the reasoning behind the current policy.

I, for one, certainly appreciate the title text that Randall adds to the comics; but FWIW, even according to Randall himself in his talk at Dartmouth College, the joke in the title text should never be critical to the main joke in the comic – i.e. the comic should work on its own, even if the title text didn't exist. I'm not saying you can't add the title text to the transcript, nor that you shouldn't – for instance, as you mentioned, maybe the title text ought to be considered as part of the comic, and so maybe it should be included in the transcript. But just letting you know that the current policy is to omit it, so you might want to discuss it in the community portal and make sure everyone's on-board before putting in a bunch of effort on it, only to have someone else come along and undo all your hard work. Cheers, and thanks again for all your contributions to the site! – Yfmcpxpj (talk) 03:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Well, thanks for clearing it up :) Beanie (talk) 09:25, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Knit Cap

Hi Beanie

Nice with the Knit Cap page, however, during the time of the Lorenz comic it was agreed upon in this community that Knit Cap was a woman in that comic! So I disagree with the page you made calling her a he... --Kynde (talk) 13:17, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

But the official transcripts said 'a guy in a knit cap' D: Beanie talk 13:21, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Well, in the other comics where Knit Cap has long hair, the transcripts always refer to them as 'A guy in a knit cap'. Lorenz's transcript is more about the structure. Beanie talk 13:26, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

It is actually a perfectly cromulent word...

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/glintingly ...just sayin'. 172.70.90.173 23:26, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Fine then :p Beanie talk 23:27, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Mdashes

Keep going, if you want. I find it awkward on this device to put in mdashes (except by using "&mdash;", which is inefficient), so I'll hyphen it and accept someone converting it later. Not that you've changed any that I recognise as being mine, originally, yet. And you're preserving the spaces... as long as you don't convert legitimate "…this - and that…" to "…this—and that…", I'm happy. ;) 172.70.162.5 01:20, 25 February 2022 (UTC) (PS., I'm also the guy who wrote the above section. :-p I'd forgotten I'd told you that, but I see you continue to be of good humour!)

"That sentence was redundant, as that's the entire reason why categories exist. I'll be doing this for the other comics now too."

Technically correct, and I have no intention of reversing this/others, but it's really more a "this is a further example of (category)" style comment which is exceedingly common and relevent in narrative explanations. Some things (being one of the Wednesday Comics) need have no mention, except when it's one of the unusual ones. That it features a given character is probably not special (save for in-text link to their character page).

At some point you get to "This is a further example of a Cursed Connector" usefulness in the Explanation, in addition to the respective category being found buried in the extensive footer list. And I (not that my opinion is authoritative!) thought the gist of the Interviews comment headed in that direction.

Having seen all the recent edits done (linknit to Category rather than the list of direct cross-article references), I wonder if the editor(s) who did that might feel a bit miffed at the excision of their own work. (From here on the sidines, I can sympathise with both your and their POVs, though obviously I tend to theirs a bit more.) 172.71.242.190 13:50, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

You are correct about comments denoting a comic's inclusion in a category being common, but there are a lot of categories. It's not possible nor necessary to mention which categories each comic are in, so where is the line drawn?
Your point about editors' work being removed is a little odd though. Isn't that the entire point of wikis? Beanie talk 11:30, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

YOU. SIGNIFICANT USER OF THIS WIKI.

DO YOU FW PALESTINE?

172.70.90.207 13:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)